@louiscouture well workplace democracy could do wonder tbh. Electing your hierarchy, defining investments and wages. And because you HAVE TO work, pretty much like you have to live in a country, you should have a democratic control over it :)
@Sudononymous @MilquetoastQT @louiscouture @Xalef
> corporate supports the left
You mean liberals? Cause last time I've checked, the corporate world universally hates trade unionists and workplace democracy activists
@MilquetoastQT @Sudononymous @louiscouture @Xalef
CEOs and more importantly shareholders do not need to be political theorists to be aware of the power they yield over economical and political spheres.
YOU work, and yet, THEY reap the product of your work; YOU, as an employee, CREATE wealth, and as shareholders, THEY have the "right" to take part of it WITHOUT even taking part of the production process.
Because YOU are the one working, YOU should be the one yielding this power.
@MilquetoastQT @Sudononymous @louiscouture @Xalef
> Investment precedes labor
indeed! but dont forget that investors have this money by stealing it from YOUR labor in the first place.
ppl can setup credit unions to replace them and fulfill this investment role. not only worker-owned businesses are profiting from this, but also the workers who own the credit union !
@adidal @MilquetoastQT @Sudononymous @Xalef I don’t think you grasp who are investor.
Middle class people can invests, it’s not just the rich people.
@louiscouture @MilquetoastQT @Sudononymous @Xalef
even though I dont believe there is such thing as "the middle class", I get your point ; not all investors are billionaire. they can be fellow workers too.
but our problem stays the same ; no one should have the right to appropriate the work of others.
and thats what ppl do through stocks ; they own parts of companies and expect dividends at the end of the year, even though they didn't took part in the wealth creation process of this company
@MilquetoastQT @adidal @Sudononymous @Xalef I think that on the field employees can have some interesting perspective and managers that listen to their employees ideas can benefit from new money making opportunities
@MilquetoastQT @Sudononymous @louiscouture @Xalef
so let me get this straight :
ppl who have to work, who are at the bottom, are lazy and envious for not wanting to get anything stolen from them ?
its like saying "thief-haters are jealous at the thief cause they wish they were smart enough to break into other ppl houses"
@adidal @MilquetoastQT @Sudononymous @Xalef people decided to work for these bosses. They never were forced to work for them in particular.
I’m not saying there’s no exploitation in the workplace but to call it theft is exaggerated
@louiscouture @MilquetoastQT @Sudononymous @Xalef
unless u work in a cooperative (so a workplace democracy), a non for profit organization, or you are self-employed, then u have no choice but to work for them in order to survive.
choice is nothing but an illusion for that matter.
@louiscouture @MilquetoastQT @Sudononymous @Xalef besides that, dont you wish u were able to elect your hierarchy and be able to held them accountable for their actions? like in a regular democracy? to me, thats what a real meritocracy looks like.
@MilquetoastQT @Sudononymous @louiscouture @Xalef
what a good wagie.
now go back begging for scraps to your overlord.
@adidal @MilquetoastQT @Sudononymous @Xalef Z
Sure, that would be an awesome thing to do,
However, nothing is stopping you from starting your own cooperative and be managed democratically. I encourage you to do so
@MilquetoastQT @adidal @Sudononymous @Xalef you know nothing about him. Let’s not judge people or call them names just because of disagreements
@louiscouture @MilquetoastQT @Sudononymous @Xalef
God I fucking wish cooperatives were the norm and not the exception
@MilquetoastQT @Sudononymous @louiscouture @Xalef
and guess what ; none of this requires the state's intervention in the economy. you still keep market mechanisms without exploitation.
@duponin @lanodan @fluff @louiscouture Uh the DSA. They literally go around calling one another comrade.
@duponin @lanodan @fluff hmm they do actually https://cpusa.org
@louiscouture @javier Bravo. 👏 👏 👏
@louiscouture - not sure about Marxism in big tech corps but they are surely totalitarian and oppressive. Be it Marxism, Communism, or Nazism doesn't matter as it's a label.