@swiley @mathlover the project leader, Clem, is an asshole and a moron who doesn’t think security updates are important (there was a previous scandal where upstream security updates were not pushed down to Mint users because of him) and I remember once him coming into IRC and telling everyone that if they didn’t support BDS they shouldn’t use Linux Mint, so fuck that guy

@wiggles @swiley @mathlover Jeez that's the kind of stuff I _don't_ want from my distro, though the auto-updates thing is a bit incorrect I think? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-Mint-Feb-2021

It looks less like "forced" and more just nagging, which while annoying isn't on the same level.

@wiggles @mathlover @swiley Also Mint's just Ubuntu/Debian based right? Ergo it uses dpkg/apt so I think it's just referring to their frontend/gui tool (assuming something like Plasma Discover or GNOME Software) doing the nagging. I'm sure if one wanted it could be removed/ignored. Though at the same time, LinMint is aimed at less techy types no? I don't think that those kinds of users would be too worried about specific package versions (let alone knowing what a package is), so it's all sorta here and there.

The main issue is choice. I mean nothing wrong with being able to toggle autoupdates if you're not too worried about potential breakage (the non-techy user is going to care about exactly 3-4 things,namely the browser (both firefox and chrome(ium) autoupdate on windows anyways)

@mathlover @swiley @wiggles macadamias microwaved

@denza252 @mathlover @swiley it's good that this may be overblown this time. Maybe Clem learned his lesson. Burnt once twice shy, though. I like Arch. Lol.

@wiggles @swiley @mathlover I remember the security update blacklisting and it turned me off from ever trying Mint.

What’s funny is last week he posted on their blog “Update Your OSes” https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=4030

@swiley I've heard some people claim it's better than Ubuntu, but Ubuntu doesn't pull this shit last I checked. Personally I am considering switching over from Ubuntu to Arch at some point (I'm already running a VM with Arch for fun)