@FrailLeaf Like if you do proprietary development..
..I agree that doing any kind of work on that is flustrating and not sustainable.
@kreyren
> everyone should be a programme
> *rust evangelist*
> literally everyone works on open source software
> large undocumented projects do not exist
> let me go through every function and documents that I have not a freaking clue what it does
a true genius worthy of qoto!
Unless you really enjoy solving random deductive puzzles and get a dopamine rush every time a right number pops up on a black and white screen you will not enjoy programming. Propitiatory or open source, in current state of the industry it's all the same undisciplined cruft glued together with bubble gum, not a very big difference between the two cause most actual markets are dominated by proprietary software, or culture that stems from it.
> everyone should be a programme
Amen
> *rust evangelist*
Nah i argue for ppl to learn the basics and theory to be able to use all programming langs
> literally everyone works on open source software
true, also everyone uses open-source software :p
> large undocumented [open-source] projects do not exist
Show me one!
> a true genius worthy of qoto!
you are on goto yourself lol
> Unless you really enjoy solving random deductive puzzles and get a dopamine rush every time a right number pops up on a black and white screen you will not enjoy programming
Programming ain't abacus there is too many things to get dopamine rush from like adding a function that can then be used on your 3D printer etc..
> Propitiatory or open source, in current state of the industry it's all the same
lol no
> undisciplined cruft glued together with bubble gum
That ain't how open-source looks like
> Amen
I'm glad to see you at least in parts accept how much of a joke you are.
> Nah i argue for ppl to learn the basics and theory to be able to use all programming langs
you said that rust is easy to read and write, you are either a evangelist, or you have never read or wrote anything of substance in that language
> Show me one!
According to you "I have no freaking clue what this function does" is a documentation, so I expect you'll liberally adjust you definitions of what constitutes a documented project avoid the brick wall of contradiction. Instead let me tell you what is actually worth searching for, beyond trivial recollection: a large open source project with it's internal implementation details, as in the majority of the code that the developer will be dealing with, documented in any way what so ever. I understand that search engines are your sworn enemies due to their tendency to burst your bubble every time you dare to think about them, but unfortunately you'll have to employ them heavily for this one. I would also like to remind you that your argument in the original thread started with "code is better than natural languages" and now you are reduced to maintaining delusions of all code being documented with said natural language for some reason.
> you are on goto yourself lol
ah yes, this means we must be genetically, spiritually and telepathically linked, of course, how foolish of me to publicly point out your diminished capacity of thought, when we are so intimately connected, hail qoto!
> Programming ain't abacus there is too many things to get dopamine rush from like adding a function that can then be used on your 3D printer etc..
Not surprising that you can not distinguish the process from the outcome. Not to mention that my argument does not exclude any other sources of excitement. I would ask you to actually read it, but usually in my experience such attempts are futile.
> lol no.
> That ain't how open-source looks like.
keep asserting your delusions, meanwhile all code is utter useless crap by the admission of the authors. Watch them scream in agony:
THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE
AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER
LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM,
OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE
SOFTWARE.
> i don't accept being a joke i agree that everyone should be well educated to understand the basics of programming
I take it context never matters for you?
OP: I do not enjoy programming
you: impossible
me: everyone should be a programmer then?
you: no everyone should be capable of learning basic toy level of programming, and that's what makes it impossible for the OP to not enjoy it. I'm not a joke.
> Compared to writting/saying it which will take ~2 sec on average
OT: programming languages are tedious to learn and use
you: it's same as English except more efficient
me: are you sane?
you: I'm sorry allow me to clarify, what I meant is that processors are fast... that is after you have learnt and used the language, and written the program, some programs may run in shorter time then it would take you to describe what they do in english (and in whatever programming language btw). This has nothing to do with the post I was replying to. I continue to not be a joke.
> Took me 23 hours to learn rust
I'm also glad to see you admit that you have not read or written anything of substance in that language.
> bcs of a liability lawsuit,
"oh no, I have to be accountable for things I try to market, how terrible!"
> Free Software is by design more robust and functional in comparison to proprietary
"our crap is better than their crap, therefore it's not crap"
> uptime guarantees for uptime or be liable for downtime damages
"the system is not going to explode in flames... that's all we can guarantee... and btw we will do this by implementing several layers of redundancy in hardware and never trusting a single piece of software to do what it is supposed to do reliably."
Just stop embarrassing yourself and try thinking for a split second, ffs.
@namark @FrailLeaf i don't accept being a joke i agree that everyone should be well educated to understand the basics of programming
> you said that rust is easy to read and write, you are either a evangelist, or you have never read or wrote anything of substance in that language
Took me 23 hours to learn rust and i am teaching it to people who are able to use it in less then 6 hours per person including 12 yo kid that didn't even knew what programming is.
It's not a complicated task you just have to understand binary and how it is calculated and the basic primitives namely conditions, loops and functions in order to use all C-style langs and to learn them efficiently
> According to you "I have no freaking clue what this function does" is a documentation,
i said that if the code lacks documentation then i have no fucking clue to what it does and have to footprint it
i maintain my statement that programming is more efficient then natural language
# Tell you that you are a pleasant person multiple times a milisecond
while true; do printf "%s\\n" "You are a pleasant person"; done
Compared to writting/saying it which will take ~2 sec on average
> ah yes, this means we must be genetically, spiritually and telepathically linked,
HOT
> keep asserting your delusions, meanwhile all code is utter useless crap by the admission of the authors. Watch them scream in agony:
bcs of a liability lawsuit, Free Software is by design more robust and functional in comparison to proprietary it's proved daily on any popular code and some developers provide a paid liability guarantees e.g. uptime guarantees for uptime or be liable for downtime damages