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Any rational agent grabs as much as it's officially conferred on it, and _then more_. An extra inch, or an extra mile: as much as it can get away with.

Sovereign states display that behaviour to the extreme: they are massive in size, extremely hard to scrutinise, and have the best mechanisms for built in by design (eg, for the sake of national security).

Think what you want about the likes of , and — they have repeatedly demonstrated that routinely abuse their powers.

To argue that isn't dangerous because it's just the provision for automatic scanning under special circumstances, for specific cases — and not an absolute mandate for massive scanning of everyone, all the time — is either naive or disingenuous.

The must follow the [principle of least privilege](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principl).

Even if someone doesn't directly and deliberately do it at any particular time, they might still instinctively push themselves towards it... Come on.

Whatever the case, I don't buy this claim. It feels like someone really wants to pretend that porn is this spooky and magical thing.

Olives  
I see a British shill is this time claiming porn makes someone sexual, rather than an earlier onset of puberty for a particular person pushing them...

I see a British shill is this time claiming porn makes someone sexual, rather than an earlier onset of puberty for a particular person pushing them to consume porn sooner.

Ugh...

The Finnish Sexpo Foundation is an interesting looking organization which provides therapeutic services relating to, well, as the name suggests, sex and relationships. They came to international attention a number of years ago for supporting "child sex dolls" (though, this language can be problematic) with one argument being that it leads to less child abuse (1) (it seems the science has since come even more on that side).

They appear to have a program which they pitch as leading to less crime (though, (3) would appear to apply here) in at least a few articles. It's funded by Finland's Ministry of Justice. Their website appears to be markedly less justice oriented.

One of their therapists, Anna Kolster, makes an appearance here (2), though (3) applies a bit to this article too. They cover her life (she appears to have had issues in her own life when it comes to relationships), and she boldly says this at one point: "My clients are not monsters. Many have poor social skills, are very lonely, and have not received any sex education that they have been able to assimilate."

Frankly, "sex education" (though, I'm not sure what this specifically entails) might be a better idea than building a second China in Europe.

P.S. Salter is a very boring (and disingenuous) person (he is practically a male karen), and I'm happy to throw a spanner in the gears of his ideology from time to time.

1 qoto.org/@olives/1110163105141

2 svenska.yle.fi/a/7-10000464

3 qoto.org/@olives/1112425007626

It's interesting to see a disingenuous British shill pushing for the chat control when the U.K. is not even part of the E.U. and the U.K. made a big deal out of how they didn't want to have the E.U. involved in their politics.

@Natanox @echo_pbreyer I may have written on it before, but it was quite some time ago so I can't remember it. She spoke like this about it: "We confronted the respondents".

Except... That's not how you carry out an unbiased opinion poll. The answers you'd get from that would be worthless for determining public opinion.

With the second (new) one, from the publicly available information, they also "confront" respondents with information. From what I've gathered, they don't mention any drawbacks of the proposals, and tries to suggest it will only hit abuse. But, that's just not true, and belies an ignorance of not only recent events, but the past twenty years of internet shenanigans.

They use large dramatic numbers, however without any context. For instance, Facebook reported in 2021 that the majority of apparent reported images were the same ten images duplicated. They also reported that they discovered in an internal study where they sampled x images that many of them were things for "shock" or "humor". This runs counter to the narrative they're trying to push here that it is purely devilish criminals looking to abuse (or exploit) someone.

One question has an answer which refers to online porn among "risks to minors" (this is scientifically dubious) and uses that in a calculation of whether Europeans think online risks are going up. When you look at the results though, you get the impression it's only about child abuse.

The possible answers someone can select in relation to one policy were worded strangely. It was not Yes or No. It was like Yes, the risks will go down. No, the risks will go up. Subtly trying to influence someone to answer a particular way.

If this is any indication of the quality of their surveys, I wouldn't have much confidence in the other either.

Ylva appears to be doing the political equivalent of "no u" without realizing (or caring) that it's complete nonsense.

I imagine this disingenuous talking point probably comes from shills / lobbyists from the pressure groups which she favors, as they sound awfully similar to the most bad faith one of all.

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edri.org/our-work/activists-co

"Between 9 and 11 October, 23 Stop Scanning Me activists from 13 European countries travelled to Brussels. They were students, parents, lawyers, young activists, human rights defenders and technologists. They came on behalf of the 200,000 people who signed the movement petition to tell their EU representatives in the European Parliament that the CSA Regulation proposal must be rejected to prevent mass surveillance."

"As part of EDRi’s “Stop Scanning Me” campaign and our core mission to defend encryption and private, secure communication, we managed to support the travel of 23 volunteers from all over Europe in an action in the European Parliament. Over three days, the activists, coming from Greece, Italy, Czech Republic, Austria, Sweden, Finland, Norway, Portugal, Denmark, Romania, Germany, Spain and France had meetings with MEPs from all political groups. They talked about the CSA Regulation and the grave consequences the proposed measures would have on people’s life experiences."

"The discussions happened amidst a newly-published independent investigation by 7 leading news outlets. The news uncovered that parts of the European Commission have been promoting industry interests in its proposed law to regulate the spread of child sexual abuse material online. In addition to these revelations, it became clear that the Commission’s Home Affairs unit has reportedly used prohibited targeting of people based on their religious and political views, in an attempt to manipulate public and political opinion in the member states where governments opposed the law."

"Many of the MEPs were alarmed at the risks as well as the issues with the legitimacy of the policy process. So, they committed to taking further steps to ensure that the CSA Regulation does not put people in the EU under mass surveillance."

reason.com/2023/10/16/californ

"For over a decade, local activists, reporters, and attorneys have been sounding the alarm about habitual civil rights violations by police in the Bay Area town of Vallejo, California. Now, California Attorney General Rob Bonta has announced that the state has reached a binding settlement with Vallejo to attempt to reform its troubled police department.

Bonta said in a press conference today that the California Department of Justice has entered into a stipulated judgment with the city of Vallejo and the Vallejo Police Department (VPD) to implement over 45 specific reforms meant to improve oversight, policies, and training in the VPD."

techdirt.com/2023/10/16/judge-

"It seemed pretty blatantly obvious that a state can’t just ban a popular app used for speech, but Montana insisted otherwise earlier this year, and gleefully passed a law banning TikTok. The law was immediately challenged, and there’s been a lot of back and forth on the docket, including a ridiculous amicus brief from Virginia and 17 other states (all with Republican AGs), claiming that obviously states can ban any speech they want."

"Incredibly, during the oral arguments, the judge asked the state’s solicitor general if they had turned up any proof during discovery that TikTok was putting people’s data at risk, and the state had to admit “we did not.”"

"Also, perhaps not surprising, Montana’s Attorney General Austin Knudsen (who was said to have actually written the underlying bill) found his own words being used in court to demonstrate just how unconstitutional the bill was."

"[Judge Molloy] took issue with Montana lawyers’ argument that the ban was needed to protect residents’ data privacy, saying it was “totally inconsistent” with statements from Knudsen and state legislators that the sole purpose of the ban was to “teach China a lesson.”"

reason.com/2023/10/16/supreme-

"Supreme Court Will Hear This Texas Woman's Challenge to a Politically Motivated Arrest

Sylvia Gonzalez, an anti-establishment politician, spent a day in jail for allegedly concealing a petition that she organized."

"Four years ago, Sylvia Gonzalez, a newly elected member of the Castle Hills, Texas, city council, was charged with concealing a government record, a misdemeanor that would have resulted in her removal from office if she had been convicted. Bexar County District Attorney Joe Gonzales declined to pursue the case, and it is not hard to see why. The charge, which was orchestrated by Gonzalez's political opponents, was based on what she describes as an honest mistake: After a city council meeting, she says, she accidentally picked up a bundle of petitions against City Manager Ryan Rapelye—petitions that she herself had organized—and placed it in her binder along with other papers."

The tricky thing about "something should be done" is that someone can always argue that "more should be done". Radical (or less euphemistically, extreme) things get pushed through, those extreme measures get treated as "standard", then that "standard" gets cast as "negligence" when the cycle repeats itself.

It's a cycle of greater authoritarianism.

@DannyMekic
"mandatory reporting buttons in chat apps"

I think this would depend on how the chat app is implemented. Something like cwtch.im is more of a tunnel which doesn't understand what users are doing through it.

Also, a particular message would have to be attributable to a particular user.

"scanning photos on hosting servers"

This is also an invasion of privacy though, and has many of the same problems as the other chat controls.

"cracking down harder on rogue hosting providers"

I would be very surprised, if this were not already happening in really egregious cases.

Not an exhaustive list of points I could make.

Danny Mekić  
What else can we do to protect children? Mandatory reporting buttons in chat apps, a 24/7 helpline, scanning photos on hosting servers, cracking do...

Looks like the game "Anime Maze Game - Visual 2D"(1) is being censored by Australia(2), probably because the system was built by freakin puritans (who worry about things which don't matter(3,4)).

As always, you can write to reps at the territory, state, and federal levels (5) to oppose any and all censorship.

New citation for less nonsense.

1 play.google.com/store/apps/det

2 refused-classification.com/cen

3 qoto.org/@olives/1110833026508

4 qoto.org/@olives/1111922961989

5 efa.org.au/get-involved/lobbyi

Patrick Breyer MEP swears to open GDPR complaint against Ylva for violating it via micro-targeted ads in support of chat control.

Looks like the Finnish Parliament is against the chat control and is binding the government. Good progress.

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