@djzap I'm saying it's a premise of the question. I'm asking people to hold quality constant.
If you want to imagine it as "the distribution of quality outcomes with the cultured meat are the same as the distribution of quality outcomes from a butcher" that is fine.
The point is to assume that on all relevant metrics the product is the same, except that one was cultured as the other came from a farm. Would you be willing to pay the same for it, less for it or more for it, and by how much?
@djzap I'm asking if you assume that the resulting thing is identical, at what price point would you choose cultured meat over animal meat.
If you only care about quality then I'd say answer either 1x or >1x. I am inclined to say that if you are truly indifferent for a given quality level, the answer should be 1x.
@btskinn I recognize that people don't actually respect the premises of hypotheticals when they answer questions, but it feels... cognitively dissonant to me to explicitly recognize that you are doing it and to be unwilling to engage the question otherwise.
Then again, I am a high [decoupler](https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/7cAsBPGh98pGyrhz9/decoupling-vs-contextualising-norms), so it is very natural for me to think this way.
@btskinn It's an explicitly stated premise.
If I said, "A genie comes out and is willing to offer you $200,000 a year for life, or $2M lump sum right now" it would be very weird to say, "I dunno, genies don't exist, and why would he want to give me money?"
@btskinn Well, "low cost replica of a rare/unique experience" is another way of saying, "I'd only take it if were cheaper."
Since if you're like, "I'd eat a cultured version of that $1000 fish if I could get it for $20", that's a price difference of 0.02x.
@btskinn If you voted <1 because you aren't convinced that it would be identical, you are answering a different question than the one I asked, but like I said, people are terrible at decoupling these things, so I assumed the data would be noisy in this regard.
It's actually good to have some confirmation that at least some of the "only if it's cheaper" folks are just answering a different question.
@btskinn I do recognize that it's a problem, though, that people are simply *terrible* at evaluating hypothetical situations. Their brains sort of pattern match to something else and use heuristics that don't apply, so you can't really trust them to decouple the things that you are explicitly asking them to decouple.
@btskinn I mean, it doesn't carry any water in this case, since I'm asking about how meat being cultured affects people's willingness to eat it at all.
If you are in the "I'd pay 10x for identical" group, you're probably in a group that would pay 2x for a "close enough" simulacrum. If you're in the <1x group, you might be convinced with extra enticements (e.g. "it's not exactly the same, but you can get a close simulacrum of this ultra-rare and expensive delicacy for the same price as beef").
If you wouldn't eat lab-grown meat at any price point (even free), then I guess answer <1x, or don't answer.
If you are a vegan or vegetarian but *would* eat lab-grown meat, then answer >2x, since you wouldn't accept farmed meat even if it were free.
At what price point, relative to the cost of farmed meat, would you switch to an otherwise identical cultured alternative (i.e. this was grown from cell culture or some other mechanism that doesn't involve raising an animal and killing it)?
(To be clear, >2x means "I'd pay at least $10 for cultured steak that would cost $5 if it came from a cow.")
@tasket @tomw You are the one that made it sound like firing a bunch of tech people was an obvious response to this. Backing away from it like, "Well people do stuff for random reasons" doesn't really seem like strong evidence considering your initial claim at least appeared to rest on the idea that getting rid of your tech staff is a natural and rational response to advances in AI.
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_Forge Your Future with #OpenSource_ is now available as an #audiobook from @pragprog ?
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Check it out!
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@marcbrooker @norootcause "Giving Birth" is on there at least 3 times with very different values.
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@Greg Also zero problem going with the path of least resistance. I also have young kids, free time to futz around with this kind of thing is pretty precious.
Since the development philosophy of `audio-feeder` has been "make something that works for my personal workflow", I would not be surprised to find that it would not work for you or any other non-me person. I'm not offended in the least that you didn't try it, and I would definitely not have been unhappy if you tried it and found you didn't like it.
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@Greg FWIW audio-feeder also has a docker container: https://github.com/pganssle/audio_feeder_docker
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@astrojuanlu But I suspect I'll still have a bunch of other problems when they eventually bring fiber internet to Somerville.
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