Ukraine War: why Russians DON'T target civilians
How can one think that the Russian military strikes civilian targets and kills civilians on purpose? They know full well that the US wants nothing more than excuses to convict them, so they will avoid war crimes by any means.
It has been explained many times since the beginning, but here are again the three reasons behind alleged attacks on civilian targets:
1. The Ukrainian army cowardly takes refuge in the cities and transforms civilian buildings into positions and weapons depots which the Russian army then destroys.
2. The Ukrainian military uses missile interception systems directly in cities, because it's easier to hit a Russian missile when it's close to the target and they don't care if the derailed missile ends up on civilians.
3. The Ukrainian army has received NATO weapons that they don't know how to use and sometimes they hit civilian buildings by accident.
The countries that actually have been bombing whole countries for years killing civilians to annihilate and terrorize those countries are mainly US, Israel, UK and France. And they did so knowing that their media's massive propaganda would cover everything.
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Ukraine War: Refuting Russian propaganda
> If it's easier to hit a missile when it's close to its target, and that forces Ukraine to place anti-air defenses in the city... then it logically follows that the cities *are* the target.
It's addressed in my own post but let's make it more clear: this war is fought in cities only because the Ukrainian army is hiding in the cities. Again, the Ukrainian army has turned civilian buildings into hideouts and weapons depots.
> If Russia was only hitting military installations, that's where the defenses would be.
Sorry I don't understand what you mean here.
> We've all seen the videos of their missiles hitting playgrounds with no interference from the Ukranians.
I can't imagine a video that *proves* that the Russian military is aiming at real civilian targets.
> Your Russian propaganda isn't even internally consistent. It certainly isn't convincing.
Your answer was pathetic… this is not Russian propaganda, this is information from independent journalists like the Italian ones who are there providing video footages.
Even using logic only: in Western countries, Russian media like RT and Sputnik are censored, while in Russia Western media are visible as always. Which side would you say is inside a propaganda bubble?
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@post You can try to play the chicken-and-egg game by claiming that Russia is attacking cities because Ukraine is defending cities while I argue that Ukraine is defending cities because Russia is attacking them... but the bottom line is that Ukraine wouldn't need to defend anything if Russia hadn't started its aggressive war of conquest in the first place, so we all know damn well which came first.
No, the *numerous* videos don't prove they're aiming at civilians. They just prove that they don't seem to mind hitting civilians over and over again and *strongly suggests* that they're aiming for them.
As for your last point, you're totally full of shit. I just pulled up RT's website. It's not censored at all here.
And I've watched the clips of Russia's state media frantically shutting down commentators who get a bit too far off the script and admit that maybe Russia isn't entirely blameless. And that's before we get into how many critics in Russia mysteriously fall out of upper-story windows.
You can claim that what you're repeating isn't Russian propaganda all you want. But the world has heard enough Russian propaganda at this point to know it when we hear it. It's as unmistakable as French snootiness and American hubris.
We see through you.
GTFO of other people's lands.
Ukraine War: Refuting Russian propaganda
> but the bottom line is that Ukraine wouldn't need to defend anything if Russia hadn't started its aggressive war of conquest in the first place, so we all know damn well which came first.
Oh, so you know what "Russian propaganda" says but you don't know the stated reasons for its intervention?
Don't you know that the war has been going on for 8 years, with the Ukrainian army bombing the Donbass just because its inhabitants spoke the Russian language and didn't accept the Ukrainian government put there by the USA?
Don't you know that there have been 14,000 deaths recognized by the UN?
Don't you know that the Ukrainian government banned Russian-language newspapers in Donbass?
Don't you know that Poroshenko said that Russian-speaking people would live in basements and their children would not go to school?
Don't you know that the Ukrainian government had left Crimea without water and there is even a video of Zelensky when he was still a comedian making fun of the deprived Crimeans on television?
Don't you know that Ukraine has never implemented Minsk's peace agreements and Merkel recently said that those agreements only served to take time and prepare Ukraine for war?
Why do you think Zelensky is laughing like an idiot in this video while Putin reiterates that Minsk's agreements need to be implemented?
Ukraine War: Refuting Russian propaganda
This is Zelensky in 2014 making fun of Crimea left without water:
Ukraine War: Refuting Russian propaganda
@post Which part of that, exactly, are you arguing justifies Russia's genocidal attempt to aggressively conquer Ukraine?
Ukraine War: Refuting Russian propaganda
The only genocide is that by Ukrainian Nazis against ethnic group of Russian-speaking Ukrainians.
Again, 14 000 victims recognized by United Nations.
"Divided Ukraine: What Language Do You Express Love In?" is a documentary on this 8 years war, by Italian and American journalists. Is that Russian propaganda too?
Can you consider the possibility that you are inside a propaganda bubble and that there are things that have been kept from you by the Western media?
Ukraine War: Refuting Russian propaganda
@post And now we've hit the "Ukrainian Nazis" talking point. 
If I was playing Kremlin Talking Point Bingo, I'd have won three different times.
If you really want to convince people that you're not a Russian propagandist, then try occasionally making arguments that aren't 100% perfectly in line with the Kremlin all the time.
Like I said before, you're painfully transparent.
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Notice that you are the one who switched from actual arguments to empty rhetoric.
Ukraine War: Refuting Russian propaganda
@post Also, nothing has been "kept" from me. Everything you mentioned, I've heard about and read the refutations. The latter are far more convincing and logical than the former, even objectively.
That's what's nice about the west. We believe in free speech, so we can openly refute the bullshit you're trying to push on us.
Ukraine War: Refuting Russian propaganda
Argue then, unlike you, I'm ready to change my mind.
Ukraine War: Refuting Russian propaganda
@post No, you're not. If you were, then you'd at least have a more nuanced view. That the only talking points you're capable of regurgitating match the Kremlin's tells me that there's no point in continued argument with you.
It's like trying to argue with someone who insists the sky is green, not blue. The amount of evidence you had to ignore to arrive at your positions portends nothing but bad faith.
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If it was as you say and I was brainwashed by Russian propaganda, you would pity me and either ignore me or share with me what belies me.
Instead you're pissed at people like me for bringing out how superficial you are. You're just frustrated with your inadequacy because you know you haven't gone as deeply into the matter as you should have.
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@post If you actually are that misguided and ignorant, then I do pity you.
But the fact that you adhered so closely to the Kremlin talking points led me to believe that you were working on their dime.
But, you're right. I forgot to take Hanlon's Razor into account. Sorry for assuming.
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Next time, hold back your indignation and ignore people like me. With your messages you didn't give me any doubts, you only gave me confirmations.
@post When someone claims the sky is green, there's no point in expending effort to try to create doubt with logic.
Such a person is actively rejecting reality.
All you can do is call out their bullshit so more reasonable people don't see unrefuted lies and fall down the same rabbit hole.
> When someone claims the sky is green, there's no point in expending effort to try to create doubt with logic.
> Such a person is actively rejecting reality.
> All you can do is call out their bullshit so more reasonable people don't see unrefuted lies and fall down the same rabbit hole.
But in a earlier message you said:
> Everything you mentioned, I've heard about and read the refutations. The latter are far more convincing and logical than the former, even objectively.
So choose one... or are you saying you needed refutations of sky being green?
I am asking for those refutations, is it clear?
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@post The "sky is green" thing wasn't a metaphor for the individual misleading claims you repeated from Kremlin talking points.
It referred to the basic fact that you're defending genocidal aggressors by repeating their talking points and ignoring all evidence to the contrary.
That you can see civilians murdered daily in an unprovoked war of conquest loosely predicated on not liking how the country was managing its own internal affairs and think "Yes, I should defend this aggressor's endless civilian murders against the folks trying to simply defend their homes".
*That's* the "sky is green" part. Nobody is denying the Azov battalion exists. What we take issue with is that people like you use it to try to justify genocide. And the entire world is sending Ukraine weapons and money as a way to say, globally, "Fuck off with that bullshit."
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I'm not justifying a genocide or war, I'm telling you that the real genocide was done by the Ukrainian Nazis for 8 years and that this war is due to US imperialism.
A dignified way to end this conversation would be "I'm sorry for being aggressive and biased; I don't have the refutations at hand at the moment but I'll send them to you later if I have time."
@post Lmao, if you think you're gonna spread propaganda and lies and then get apologized to for people calling out your bullshit, you've got another thing coming.
Well then you are my partner in crime, because thanks to you your faction didn't make a good impression :)
If the matter weren't terribly serious, you would have made me laugh out loud with how you handled the conversation.
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Is your wave of indignation already over?
@post No, I just have an actual life that prevents me from arguing with Russian trolls 24/7.
You just realized that you have no idea of the things I mentioned.
Ukraine War: why Russians DON'T target civilians
@post What a bullshit. The real reasons civilians die arethe russian army leading the aggressive war and shooting their rockets targeting an independent country,
Everything else in your post is just a shameless russian propaganda.
Ukraine War: why Russians DON'T target civilians
Do the 14,000 deaths recognized by the United Nations before Russia's intervention not exist for you?
Ukraine War: why Russians DON'T target civilians
@post Whataboutism is just yet another shitty propaganda move. Come on, try better.
Ukraine War: why Russians DON'T target civilians
Russia intervened to stop a genocide, Ukrainian Nazis bombed Donbass for 8 years (14 000 deaths) and the Kiev government never implemented the Minsk agreements.
Why do you think Zelensky is laughing like an idiot in this video where Putin reiterates once again that the Minsk agreements must be implemented?
Ukraine War: why Russians DON'T target civilians
@post yet another shitty propaganda post. Russia started the war in 2014, by occupying the Crimea. I've been there and I've saw everything with my own eyes.
Ukraine War: why Russians DON'T target civilians
Russia did not occupy Crimea, Russia allowed Crimea to vote safely in a referendum in which 95,32% voted to join the Russian federation.
This is because the US made a coup in Kiev with the so-called Euro Maidan and put actual Nazis in power who in fact persecuted Russian-speaking Ukrainians for 8 years.
Here is the video of comedian Zelensky making fun of Crimeans left without water by the Ukrainian government after the referendum:
Do you understand that such a show is only possible in a racist country? Does it seem so absurd to you that these laughing people could have a Nazi government and army?
Ukraine War: why Russians DON'T target civilians
@post man, you probably can't read English? I've been there. I've saw everything. Please stop trying to gaslight me 😂
Ukraine War: why Russians DON'T target civilians
What a pathetic attempt. You totally ignored the videos I sent.
Ukraine War: why Russians DON'T target civilians
@post man, try to realize: I'm a free person with a free will. I've read your bullshit and that's enough for me - I'm not paid to watch random propaganda 🤷♂️
Ukraine War: why Russians DON'T target civilians
Simply admit that you cannot find a plausible explanation.
Ukraine War: why Russians DON'T target civilians
@post man, your propaganda attempts are not that good. You're not worth the money Russia pays you🤣
Ukraine War: why Russians DON'T target civilians
Yet you haven't said a word about Zelensky's videos or what I've said.
Ukraine War: why Russians DON'T target civilians
@post but if you want Nazi videos -I do have some for you. They are about Russian nazis though: https://twitter.com/kazanskyidenis/status/1616721934695251969.
Ukraine War: Refuting Russian propaganda
@post If it's easier to hit a missile when it's close to its target, and that forces Ukraine to place anti-air defenses in the city... then it logically follows that the cities *are* the target.
If Russia was only hitting military installations, that's where the defenses would be.
We've all seen the videos of their missiles hitting playgrounds with no interference from the Ukranians.
Your Russian propaganda isn't even internally consistent. It certainly isn't convincing.