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@TheBird

I drove seven hours from Houston to New Orleans on Saaturday. Lots of time to think on the Mastodon black migration situation. Here are my thoughts:

1. The software is changeable unlike the bird or Facebook. Take advantage of this.
2. Gather the black tech community to make the software fit your needs while still retaining federation at whatever level is appropriate.
3. Create instances using that software as a standing ground to work from to address the sociological issues.
4. It may be good to create multiple instances ranging from wide open to heavily guarded, the latter for the most vulnerable.

To me the big insight is the ability to mold the software as needed to meet your requirements. It is a shift in perspective that may not be readily obvious.

I suggest starting with the qoto.org software. It does two things that were specifically added to help the queer community.

First is quoting. This is a double edged sword but the LGTBQ community found it useful to expose the deplorables.

Second, is _subscriptions_. This allows seeing what someone is posting without doing a follow. It is observation. A commnity group uses it to track activities and provide warning to the larger community.

This gives the freedom to try techniques in the technology. If the work, great. If they don't there has only been some time and sweat lost.

As I drove, my thoughts ranged from being a savior (HA HA) to doing nothing. They finally settled on the above.

I offer myself as a resource.

@Icevice@nerdculture.de

Starting a 16 day trip. Mainly cruising from New Orleans through Caribbean and partial transit of Panama Canal. Today we drove from Houston to NO. Pictures are from a couple hours on Bourbon St. Alcoholic beverages, hot dogs, and slices of pizza for dinner. (Had a better lunch on the road.)

@TheBird @Icevice@nerdculture.de

I drove seven hours from Houston to New Orleans on Saaturday. Lots of time to think on the Mastodon black migration situation. Here are my thoughts:

1. The software is changeable unlike the bird or Facebook. Take advantage of this.
2. Gather the black tech community to make the software fit your needs while still retaining federation at whatever level is appropriate.
3. Create instances using that software as a standing ground to work from to address the sociological issues.
4. It may be good to create multiple instances ranging from wide open to heavily guarded, the latter for the most vulnerable.

To me the big insight is the ability to mold the software as needed to meet your requirements. It is a shift in perspective that may not be readily obvious.

I suggest starting with the qoto.org software. It does two things that were specifically added to help the queer community.

First is quoting. This is a double edged sword but the LGTBQ community found it usable to expose the deplorables.

Second, is _subscriptions_. This allows seeing what someone is posting without doing a follow. It is observation. A commnity group uses it to track activities and provide warning to the larger community.

This gives the freedom to try techniques in the technology. If the work, great. If they don't there has only been some time and sweat lost.

As I drove, my thoughts ranged from being a savior (HA HA) to doing nothing. They finally settled on the above.

I offer as a resource. I'm leaving on a 2 week cruise so time and internet access is limited. Will access as I can.

Okay. With all following you don't need all our handles in the message.

@CompuservePub

A long time ago on Compuserve, there was SDForum where writers for computer magazines hung out. One of the sections in the forum was 'The Pub' for general discussions. When Compuserve collapsed, we created a newsgroup. Then on FB, a private group.

This is the fourth incarnation of The Pub.

We're friendly folks, and if you find your way here, you can "Spit on the rug and call the cat a bastard."

@CompuservePub

The first messages were a thread. This is a new standalone message, eh, status.

@CompuservePub

@cowgirlcoder @gdinwiddie
@tonyk

Trying to create a Group for Pub folks. Not sure how messages are sent using it or how you find it. We'll see.

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@shengokai

Not all instances are the same. A few paragraphs into the article below is how qoto.org long ago addressed the LGBTQ safety issue after discussion with the community. jeffreyfreeman.me/eugen-rochko

@gpowerf
Even with a smaller car { snicker } I took out my sideview mirror twice on a post like that.

Rud boosted

Since Mastodon saw its initial popularity circa 2017, I've noticed that most users and those reporting on it either don't think about the Fediverse as anything more than Mastodon, or treat its history as beginning with Eugen Rochko and the beginning of Mastodon. In fact, Mastodon is the latest in a long line of federated social networks, going at least back to Identi.ca, and though I wasn't around for all of it,I find this history pretty interesting. (Thread; boosts welcome!)

@danhon

Please now determine how to use Groups.

@TheBird

I am open to thoughts. I don't have any at the moment. As I said above, all I know is this is a big challenge.

I'm on qoto.org, which has the quoting capability that zirk.us/@shengokai/10938037254 mentions in one of his threads was a vital component for the black community. It is available on Qoto because the LGBTQ community agreed it was helpful for them. Better to bring the devil into the light.

Similarly, Qoto has a _subscribe_ capability that allows someone to watch another person's posts without revealing their information.

Qoto regularly gets beat up and de-federated because of those features. But @freemo stands by those decisions.

From an earlier post, "...People shouldn't *have* to move servers." It would be nice, but it is part of a federated service. They do not operate identically. That's a virtue and a fault. Ideally, picking a server is like choosing between a Ford and a Chevy. Sadly, that is not the case.

With appreciation...

@TheBird

The current US society and similar ones throughout the world. Ones where a privileged class does not respect 'others'.

I am of the privileged class and don't like that attitude.

If society itself were fixed, the Mastodon problem would be fixed. That's impossible but true.

@TheBird

The challenge is to create in Mastodon what society overall cannot create. That's a big challenge.

Rud boosted

I've been thinking a lot about the discourse around moderation, Black folks' experiences, and the culture here. This is a longer post to dig a bit into how we can discuss and change the culture here to be more inclusive and equitable and just.

First step is to stop doing band-aid solutions. Folks who keep saying "we're a community of builders" in response to social critiques or saying "just make your own server or move" need to take a step back and consider that is coming off as ignorance at best and racist at worst. It's a band-aid solution that doesn't truly solve the inherent problem that impacts the network as a whole.

People shouldn't *have* to move servers. The server ought to change and be more inclusive, which means tackling the culture of that server and how it moderates. And if they do decide to move servers, they shouldn't have to deal with it again there either. It's the overall culture that contributes to the harmful bigotry people may face in a server.

Culture exists everywhere, including in a "community of builders." If you don't deal with the culture that causes harm to some people, then you can't claim your culture is "inclusive" or that there is an "engineering" solution to a cultural problem.

Dr. Flowers (shengokai@zirk.us) made some excellent threads that analyze the situation on Mastodon -- specifically social side of it. zirk.us/@shengokai/10938037254 Is one of the critiques. Go read them all! He spoke with folks who been here a long time and dug deep for his analyses.

Now, is there a solution to the issues of culture here that have consciously or not caused harm to marginalized folks?

Yes, there can be by coming together and having these discussions.

However, only engineering solutions isn't gonna cut it. Although Mastodon does need some engineering solutions (the moderation can be improved upon greatly with some better engineering. The protocol is wonky that could be improved too), but that will not fix the culture.

What fixes the culture?

Discussions like these. People willing to listen, to be uncomfortable, to confront harmful attitudes, and unlearn and build up new ways of being.

That's part of what being in community IS. We need to unlearn all the time. We need to listen, be uncomfortable, be flexible, be willing to change.

Change is necessary. It is not either good or bad - it's a neutral force that can be weaponized in a bad way (see Elongated Musky's twitter takeover) or in a good way (people building more just, equitable, sustainable, and accessible platforms).

But change is needed. Change needs to be done on a tech level, a culture level, and on a personal level.

So think about behaviors witnessed here -- behaviors you do too -- think about what norms Mastodon users, especially those who helped build it or been here a long time, enforce.

Some of the norms are good. Such as people defaulting to using alt-text for their photos and video screenshots (thank you!).

Others are a good idea that can be weaponized in painful ways

For example the CW: first situation I'll use to discuss this is: its utility to avoid triggering panic or pain for those with trauma is good. This is being mindful of those around us and seeking to create a culture of care.

Second situation: people trying to force Black folks and other marginalized identities to cover their posts because it made the person uncomfortable is harmful. This puts the marginalized person in a position of having to CW all their posts as the oppression faced often colors their interactions in most spaces, so trying to write about their experiences without mentioning it would be difficult. (It's difficult for me as a disabled nonbinary person, and I don't have to deal with the intersection of race too.)

In the first CW situation, the poster makes a conscious choice to be mindful of others - the poster makes the decision and holds agency over it. Their decision is theirs alone.

In the second CW situation, readers with more privilege (thus more power) try to coerce the poster with less privilege (thus less power) into a specific action to lessen the reader's cognitive dissonance and uncomfortable emotions. This is a power imbalance, and if numerous people with more power and privilege barrage the poster, the power imbalance tips into harassment.

If we examine who gets targeted the most for the "put a CW on this" when sharing experiences, we can also see an imbalance where marginalized populations get hit harder - this is a consequence of the power imbalance within the culture itself.

To be clear, for someone with less privilege, they hold less power in these situations. So asking a poster to put in alt-text on an image would not fit the second situation I described above. The less privileged individual is seeking access to what everyone else already has. That is not and should not be equated with someone who seeks to silence or cover-up the story of another regardless of intent.

That power balance inherent within privilege is also a cultural aspect that needs discussed. I used CW as a way to model thinking about how norms within a culture create power imbalances. Mastodon is not immune to the wider cultures of people's home countries, and there are many countries across the world that privilege specific groups over others that can be replicated into Mastodon's culture consciously or unconsciously. That needs examined too.

Norms of how discussions and change ought to go also need examined and possibly changed. Think about interactions here, think about whose voices get heard the most, think about who moderates, who owns servers, who writes the code, etc. All of these factors have a role in building and shaping culture.

And yes, even code can be biased as it is written by human beings, and we're biased beings. (There is an excellent book by a Black author that discusses this actually called
Race After Technology: Abolitionist Tools for the New Jim Code by Ruha Benjamin).

These are important questions if we are to build a community that is equitable, just, consensual, accessible, sustainable.

Yes, this seems like a lot! But that's why we do it through conversations. With actions that build up over time. Nothing can or should be done all at once. Community building takes *time* and commitment.

Make sure to listen to those most marginalized. When we care and uplift our most vulnerable, giving them access and support, then we help all of us.

Thanks for reading!

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All cultures welcome.
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