Lancet Formally Retracts Fake Hydroxychloroquine Study
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31324-6/fulltext
Liberals: Which 'science' are we supposed to believe?
https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/501464-liberals-which-science-are-we-supposed-to-believe
How Fear, Groupthink Drove Unnecessary Global Lockdowns
People try to do right by each other, no matter the motivation, study finds
Karl Friston: up to 80% not even susceptible to Covid-19
https://unherd.com/2020/06/karl-friston-up-to-80-not-even-susceptible-to-covid-19/
A mysterious company’s coronavirus papers in top medical journals may be unraveling
New coronavirus losing potency, top Italian doctor says
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-virus-idUSKBN2370OQ
"Don't disrespect people; if they disrespect you then block them and move on."
Contradicts new policy that one can't block staff. I've unblocked @freemo
> there is also over exageration
> we still know it is many orders of magnitude worse than the flu
That's rich.
Coronavirus disease 2019: The harms of exaggerated information and non‐evidence‐based measures
Air pollution kills 82,000 to 84,000 Italians every year.
While deaths attributed to COVID-19 number 32,486.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
Wonder what the overlap looks like.
Italy has excellent air quality???
Really?
"Polish and Italian populations breath dangerously polluted air, a new report by the Swiss air monitoring platform IQAir shows. According to the research, among the continent’s 100 worst cities for air quality, 29 are in Poland and 24 in Italy."
As a point in a discussion about how bad COVID-19 is, it was pointed out that ICU's are 70% full.
... about the same as over the last three years.
> lower than what would have been without lockdown, obviously.
Sorry, I don' t buy any crystal ball argument.
> Where do you even get this sort of anti-science nonsense from
From science.
https://swprs.org/studies-on-covid-19-lethality/
> Like i said its on a level of absurdity its hard to even respond to.
Likewise. No matter how you try to slice it, the numbers for COVID-19 are not significantly different than for seasonal flu.
> It would be like debunking a flat-earther, how do you even debunk someone who says things that arent even close to the reality of the situation?
I don't know. How can I convince you the sky is NOT falling?
I can't. No matter what data or peer reviewed studies I show you, they'll all be wrong. Summarily. No science provided, simply flat earther ad hominem.
We do agree on one thing. Rational discussion on this topic seems a bit out of reach.
@EVoCeO @vnarek Historical perspective is always good too. https://www.forbes.com/2010/02/05/world-health-organization-swine-flu-pandemic-opinions...
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject
any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has
captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you
give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
Since there are conversations on this instance regarding disallowing people who "don't agree with us," a thought on what constitutes "truth" or "propaganda" or "conspiracy theory:"
Conspiracy theory: Area 51: true
Conspiracy theory: MKULTRA: true
Conspiracy theory: Mockingbird: true
... etc...
"Conspiracy theory" seems to simply be code for anything "of which we don't wish the public to be aware." Stuff that FOIA requests eventually show to be true.
Any time a rational person sees "conspiracy theory" used, his first thought is, "I wonder what underlying truth that's built on" rather than, "cuckoo!"
Press conference with with owners of acute care center (largest COVID tester) in Kern County:
Top Swedish official: Virus rates easing up despite loose rules
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/15/sweden-coronavirus-rates-easing-despite-loose-rule/
Joined May 2019
