I still thought decentralised blockchain is not elegant enough to use flawlessly. For a federal instance, I can upload or delete (my own) content without concern. However the blockchain is more like something to archive records. It have to be unchangeable and everyone can check it. So a lot of concern have to be count befor I upload.
I think the best way to put a daily use service into decentralised way is something like federal. You host the instance for your local group, and instances are decentralised. If Amazon takedown all of mastodon instance, you can still run your own on your pc or home server (like a HPE Proliant Microserver), meanwhile without dealing with *mining* the blockchain.
Censorship always occurred. We have to ensure the source of information is free and not control by some authorities. And federal should be enough.
我认为去中心的区块链还不够优雅，以至于没法顺畅的使用。对于一个联邦实例，我可以毫无顾忌的上传或删除我的内容，然而区块链更像是归档性质的记录。它不可改变，并且每个人都可以验证它。使得我在上传东西的时候要考虑很多。
我想现如今将日常使用的服务变成去中心化的，最好的还是联邦。你可以为你自己的那一撮人运行一个联邦实例，而各联邦之间保持去中心。如果Amazon决定要拿下所有mastodon实例，你甚至还可以在自己的PC上运行它，或者一个家用服务器，例如HPE新出的那个microserver gen10 plus就香的很。而且还不用给区块链挖矿。
审查是个无处不在的东西，我们要确保的是信息源不被几个权威所掌控。而这个层面来说，联邦足够了
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Zeronet would be a great example. But development is not that friendly considering the pure js development experience. Even typescript makes me more comfortable than js. But anyway, zeronet is still a good practice.
Another topic: remove something that already broadcasted to public, it's very hard to remove it completely from the network, especially when something like IPFS take in place. Zeronet is based on public key things, but it can ensure only the private key holder can change, no guarantees about deleting. But consider deleting thing on existing website, Google snapshot, web archives, is not a simple task, I thought decentralisation just make it harder.
So I think centralised in a local group, then decentralised in general,this would be a *elegant*(but not ideal or perfect) way to decentralise some daily use service.
@skyblond i understand, but it's also possible to design a way to take control of your own records on the blockchain, and decide which hash version to be alive.
the point of my concern also is to avoid data deletion like what happened with geocities i think a decentralized filesystem solution would be a major advancement
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Decentralised filesystem is a good idea. But considering P2P network like bittorrent is not that reliable, you have to be very advanced to deliver a good experience.
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Thats the trade off typically. If you truly want it impossible for you to be censored that you give up some control to remove your own content.. Though I suppose if only the owner of the public key who publishes the content can remove it then it would be relatively protected from that. Even so even on the fediverse no guarantee servers will remove their cache of your data.
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