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I doubt a single one of the COVID conspiracy theory nutters out there could even answer this quiz, and this is just the basic level.
@freemo I don't care about the vaccine safety any more. I'm upset about being compelled to take it.
@swiley I agree 100% with you, thats an issue. But then again thats just as much the conspirasy theorists fault as it is the governments. If so many people werent out there spreading lies convincing people to put their lives at risk there wouldnt have been the need.
@freemo There's arguably no need regardless.
@swiley While I dont agree that it should be forced on anyone, there is a need, and the conspiracy theorists created it.
There are countless people who beleived their lies and arent smart enough to know better who are going to die. It has kept the vaccinations from reaching herd immunity and as such the potential for ever more variants to arise.
So the need is preventing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people that anti-vaxers have caused.. yes there is a "need", I just dont feel that justified forced vaccination no matter how big that need may be
@freemo Israel has nearly 100% vaccination and has no herd immunity.
The virus is not as deadly as people say it is and there are alternative treatments that work better as Japan, Mexico, and India have found.
Pushing the vaccine instead of Ivermectin and antibodies is killing people.
@swiley Wrong, Israel has <80% vaccinated as of the latest figures and herd immunity kicks in above 80% with this virus.. So no they dont have herd immunity yet.
Also remember what I said, herd immunity only works when the entire population reaches it quickly (before variants have a chance to form which accelerates as you vaccinate before reaching herd immunity). We achieved herd immunity with smallpox, for example, because the campaign was global and that was a bit of an easier virus in terms of variants.
@freemo I thought Fauci said 50%.
@swiley I have no idea what Fauci said, nor do I care what he or any one specific doctor says. I care about the scientific consensus which has herd immunity well above 80%
@freemo Either way, the vaccine is not as effective as Ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies. It's orders of magnitude more deadly than every vaccine we've had, and for younger boys it's more deadly than covid itself.
It's not a good treatment.
@swiley Its many times more effective than Ivermectin (which may be part of a treatment as well, assuming the vaccine was already tried)... you sound like an uninformed dunce honestly, almost no one has died from the vaccine, you are spewing anti-science, anti-fact bullshit. You do you, but you've lost the respect of myself and so many others (who continually keep reporting you) with this anti-intellectual nonsense that even a few minutes of research could easily disprove if you didnt have your head up your ass.
If I sound mad, I am, because aside from just costing hundreds of thousands of people their lives by spreading this bullshit misinformation, you are also now costing people their freedoms as a consequence because people are so desperate to try to find a way to save those lives.
@freemo There have been thousands of deaths reported to VARES, a service run by the CDC. Where is your data coming from?
@swiley See this is why you are too uneducated on the subject to open your mouth and why you would fail the above test.
VARES requires doctors, by law, to report any death even those not related to covid, that occur within 14 days after a vaccine, any death at all. The death reports in VAREs does **not** represent death due to the vaccine. These deaths are followed up and investigated to see if any of them wind up being caused by the vaccines and out of those investigations there are very very few deaths.
Please stop saying shit you **think** is true but lack even basic training or education to understand the nonsense coming out of your mouth. If you dont understand a topic dont try to "educate" people with misinformation, educate yourself first.
@freemo Ok.
Regardless, I'm not taking it after that mandate.
@swiley I have no issue with you protesting the mandate, im against it myself. But considering your the reason we have the mandate and the number of people who are dead because of the "game" you played that doesnt really earn you any respect back in my eyes.
If you really cared about the mandate but wanted to do the right thing you'd get the vaccine anonymously. It would serve the same purpose in terms of protesting without having the side effect of killing people.
@freemo No. I'm absolutely not cooperating. They can figure something else out now.
@swiley Of course not, pretty much what I'd expect from someone who acted the way you did throughout COVID so far...
@freemo I would have kept it to myself if they didn't push. The only politics I ever spoke publicly about were software related.
I was listening to the authorities in the beginning and being extremely careful, I was one of the most careful people I know. I didn't leave the house for months during March/April and took my temperature every day. I washed my hands and wore masks and practiced social distancing.
At some point it became clear that people were lying and this was a massive power grab.
@swiley You've been talking about COVID conspiracy nonsense for weeks now.
Even now if you wanted to complain about the policies or the mandates I'd be 100% cheering behind you. But thats not what you've been doing.
Sorry but shitty mandates that are a violation of rights doesnt mean you start getting up and lying about medical advice that can kill if a naive person thinks you know what your talking about. If you wanted a leg to stand on then them passing those mandates should have resulted in your sticking to protesting those mandates, not making up lies about COVID in "protest".
@freemo
>You've been talking about COVID conspiracy nonsense for weeks now.
That began immediately after the mandate. Like you say: I have no formal training in any of this so I wasn't comfortable talking about it and wasn't going to as long as I was left alone. Now I'm being harassed so I'm going to talk about it until the harassment ends.
@swiley Again, if you were talking out against the mandate then I'd have no issue with you doing that.. but the whole "In protest of them forcing people to take the vaccine I'm going to go out of my way to lie to people and give knowingly false medical advice that might kill them to protest my rights being taken away" is a pretty damn shitty cop out.
@freemo I'm not convinced what I'm saying is wrong.
The behavior will continue to get worse until the Federal Government fucks off.
@swiley Your statements are extremely trivial to disprove. But whether you know your wrong and spreading misinformation, or you simply know your uneducated and spreading uneducated crap, your still a bad person no matter which of the two it is.
Your behavior is exactly what forced the federal government to do what it did. Yes its wrong and yes you should protest it. But not by being part of the problem.
@freemo I feel like being quiet is how we got here so I'm not going to do that until they leave us alone.
@swiley When did I say you need to be quiet? And no, being quiet didnt get you here. People like you spreading misinformation being loud as hell is what got us here (that and a corrupt govt that doesnt give a shit about rights)...
I also didnt suggest you be quiet, I only suggest you stop stating things as facts that you are clearly uneducated on, and wrong, and that cost lives. You dont get the right to say shit that kills people as part of a protest, thats ass backwards.
@freemo I never said any of this to anyone before the mandates. So it wasn't me.
@swiley I didnt say it was. The point is silence is not what caused the government to act out. You may have been silent but everyone else holding your opinion wasnt.
@freemo Oh well. We're here now.
No quite the opposite. The case which references screaming fire in a theater (which was actually about distributing flyers with misinformation on it) specifically stated that screaming fire in a theater would be against the law as an example of why the case being tried found the individual guilty.
Here is an exact quote from the Judge (Holmes) remarking on this very thing:
The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic.... The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.
>considering your the reason we have the mandate and the number of people who are dead because of the "game"
This is the fundamental problem with your logic. You think covid deaths are caused by anything other than covid itself. You think human beings are responsible for the actions of a virus, simply because they insufficiently combat it.
This is communist logic, where not preventing something and causing something are considered rhetorically identical.
Thats like me handing you a glass of poison and lying by saying "hey here is some water" and then when you die going "thats not my fault, thats communist logic. The only thing that killed him is the poison itself".
When you lie and people believe your lies and that results in their death, yes, you have a hand to play in that as far as I'm concerned.
>The lie that the VARES confirms thousands of vaccine deaths, which is explicitly false.
That's not a lie. First of all, ev eryone who says it actually believes it, which makes them at worst wrong, not lying.
Second, it's true by the standards of statistical analysis that has been setup for COVID. If you want to call this a lie, you have to also call 99% of covid cases lies.
@Eris Sorry it doesnt work that way... There is no "COVID deaths list"... there are many different lists and each one you must understand the criteria. There is VARES, there is the CDC preliminary, there is the CDC finalized, there are doubple blind sampled studies, and many hundreds if not thousands of different lists.
The problem with not being educated on the topic are exactly these sort of inane simplifications.
>Sorry it doesnt work that way... There is no "COVID deaths list"...
What is CNN putting on its chyron every day then?
>The problem with not being educated on the topic are exactly these sort of inane simplifications.
The problem is that you think that is only happening on one side.
@Eris CNN along with any mainstream media, is not a scientific source. They, like fox news or any other media, spew nonsense.
@Eris I'm not? I've called CNN murderers plenty of times.
@Eris This thread is one-sided. It addresses one issue with one side. Is there some rule that says every thread must call out every issue on every side at all times?
Anti-vaxers being idiots dont get a pass just because CNN are idiots for the other side. ?You being an idiot is not excusable if other people who disagree with you somewhere are also idiots. (general you here, not you specifically)
>Is there some rule that says every thread must call out every issue on every side at all times?
Yes. People deduce your position based on the arguments you present. If you present one-sided arguments, your position is one-sided in practice. Alluding to things you do which no one here sees is just an attempt to maintain credibility.
>Anti-vaxers being idiots dont get a pass just because CNN are idiots for the other side.
Of course they do. IF you give one a pass, you have to give the other a pass. If you criticize one, you have to criticize the other. If you are inconsistent on this it signals dishonesty to people.
Either being an idiot is okay or it isn't.
@Eris People deduce your opinion based on the comments you make over time. No one in their right mind looks at one isolated comment about one thing and assume that is the whole of their opinion. They would look at my history of comments, discussions, and ask questions and then gather the bigger picture to judge me.
IF you are drawing conclusions about my stance from one post on one specific aspect of a topic then you arent really forming a complete picture.
>People deduce your opinion based on the comments you make over time
Absolutely not, no. No one is going to remember who you are beyond this conversation and no one coming into this conversation has any idea who you are or what you have done outside of it. No one cares about you enough to research you, lol.
>you are drawing conclusions about my stance from one post on one specific aspect of a topic then you arent really forming a complete picture.
Accurately representing a full picture of yourself is your job. If you fail at it it's your fault.
@Eris Anyone who is judging me off an isolated comment is someone I really could care less about anyway. So really couldnt care less, but your right im sure people are going to judge me based on an out of context remark and infer all sorts of nonsense all the time.. I guess i just dont give a shit.
When no one on the other side of the argument will deign to reason with you, the reasonable deduction is that you are on the right side of the argument.
@Eris Clearly you werent listening, I'm not a provaxer. In fact I explicitly stated I am not vaccinated and am vaccine hesitant and dont think vaccination is a good idea at this time.
So anything else you stated shows you are clueless about me and my opinions.
@swiley thus the word almost.. only 2 people died from blood clots, they investigated it. Of those who got myocarditis so far 0 have died, only 2 wound up in the ICU..
Enough got symptoms of myocarditis to investigate it, true, but 100% of people survived. If anything it demonstrates the safety of vaccines and how even symptoms with no deaths is enough to trigger a full investigation.