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yeah, the mobile landscape is a horrible mess, with so many interlocked dependencies ensuring the soldier's boots remain on our faces forever 😞 operating system duopoly, locked down hardware, exclusive shops, tons of proprietary apps mandated by governments and businesses, antisocial walled gardens... it's very hard to devise a way out of this mess.

I still think 0G and GNU could provide us with a way out if people were to use their dissatisfaction with the growing pile of enshittified stuff to migrate en masse to an alternative that enabled them to run the stuff they want on hardware that's not locked-down and that doesn't track their every move; make and install and run and share apps of their choice like we did on PCs back in the day. it's the only way out AFAICT, but (i) we don't really have that kind of hardware available and affordable all over, and (ii) I see no evidence that people would even get to know about such an escape route. now, crossing subthreads, I don't think pursuing it is hubris either 😉

we can't count on websites remaining available. banking in Brazil has moved on, for one, and government is doing so. lots of "mandatory" communication platforms (WhatsApp, I'm looking at you, but thinking of Signal as well) are also (at least in part) locked to mobile devices. we're surrounded, and they know it.

@lxo mobile software is hostile to user moddability, and its hardware follows laptops in locking down the bootloader except tighter. Alternatives have no chance, unfortunately, even more so now that many websites refuse to remain websites on a mobile browser and push the app instead.

Neither GNU nor 0G can be expected to surmount these. Thankful even if just websites remain, with open laptops to access them on.

@lxo it was more about Sather, less about GNU, an example I wanted to call hubris-driven social initiative (no real need out there). I think the sort of social change that has democratic impediments probably is hubris rather than an actual alternative.

I agree GNU wasn't hubris-driven, and also that it succeeded. I never understood why people expected it to solve later challenges too! At best, GNU could have explicitly supported others tackling those challenges, like the criteria.

@lxo a long-winded way of suggesting that constructive initiatives should start at where people were before destructive initiatives took hold. GNU seems to have done exactly that in the Lisp Machine times. What else has done that since?

@lxo quite right.

But, I do question if atleast some initiatives aren't just hubris without understanding what people want (my pet peeve is me-too projects - GNU Sather?). Sure, there are many initiatives with ulterior motives, like proprietary software, and highlighting their inadvisable aspects is welcome. But implementations supporting the alternative always miss the train. Contrast that to the endurance of something like Emacs, which wasn't me-too material once it got ported to Unices.

@icedquinn I had to search, are you talking about slow productivity?

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"I am injust"

You are eons ahead of many other humans in understanding human nature. Most people spend their entire lives weaving an illusion around their own character.

@vnikolov @octade you don't need a one-time exam for software authors, when you can have an exam for every software release: its even called "testing"! Of course, that means there has to be a spec; that is best written by the client side.

@octade how do you plan to avoid corporates and AI, when the project is on Github and discussions are on Discord, Reddit and Bluesky!

I still remember trying to sell people on Erlang back at an old job and it went something like “think of it as concurrent functional lisp” and they were like “Lisp’s syntax is terrible” and I was like “then good news because this is Prolog syntax” and that wasn’t better.

#erlang #programming

@cliffle @b0rk A bit of advice I was given long ago when someone proposes doing something apparently dumb and which has been tried before is never to say "that doesn't work" or "we've tried" but to always say "This is what we couldn't figure out last time"

They now know where you came unstuck and can see if they have answers, they know what to think about if they've not got that far, and you've not stopped them if they actually do have the answer.

@dinosaure I guess the open-source user crowd likes the AI mob - no discovery, no learning slowing things down.

Even free/libre software didn't prevent this (or TiVo-ization).

The only thing that stands a chance is closed source. Maybe that + open protocols is what was required.

Apologies for (trying to) describing the water to somebody drowning.

When I discover that AI can produce this type of OCaml code github.com/mtelvers/ocaml-smtpd, which probably comes from what I have been writing for several years, and that investigators ultimately do not take the time to look at what the community can produce... This heralds a bright future for open source where people no longer form a community. I hate AI.

@pluralistic tell them they can call it e13n if they want to be cool about it

@semmetafisica great article! about the only thing on which I differ is that billionaires drew people away from communication - I think most people look for entertainment and choose billionaire platforms.

@garius That reason why? One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison

@strypey BTW, what Trinity does is something Citroen has done too, they call it CARA. Also, isn't the way Trinity is designed called a Software Defined Vehicle? Toyota set up a subsidiary, Woven, to do that (but grander, including a 7-hectare demo city to evolve cities with it).

there are two kinds of people in human society: grifting parasites and people who mistakenly tried to do something else (which will now be coopted by grifting parasites.)
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