@mur2501 🤨 That's pretty insane!
We had 11 provinces for a long time. The 12th one got added last century (1986) when we told the large body of water in our middle 'hey, we want this land' and the fake sea obeyed. 😋
Ok, there were a few details:
Belgium (originally part of Netherlands) gained independence in 1830. Ok, bye!
North-Holland and South-Holland provinces were one (large) province (Holland) ruled as 2 seperate entities, in 1840 they actually got split in 2 seperate provinces. They got a bit too big and cumbersome. Ok, hi!
And then you've got Flevoland that was reclaimed from the sea as mentioned earlier.
At least we didn't have 1001 changes like your country did in a shorter time span!
@trinsec
Well mostly Europe has kept with the historical boundaries, also your provinces don't have much diversity.
During independence,
Here as you seen there were 17 British provinces while 560 independent princely state (they worked independently and just paid taxes to Brits). These are just political divisions while apart from that there exist many languages, cultures, etc which makes the people very diverse to unite.
Hence it was a long and hard process to cut out the states here.
@mur2501 Honestly, with all this diversity I'm surprised you're still one state. :P I mean, USA is less diverse but look at them acting totally not united right now!
@trinsec
They got their independence by war and guns (also it was European immigrants vs Europe, not much for natives)
British used divide and rule to conquer us, so unity and non-violence was our way out ![]()
@mur2501 I'm trying to grok what you said and whether you argued against something I said, since it isn't clear to me!
I meant: USA should be united because they have largely a common background (European immigrants), but they seem more divided than India is despite India's thousand-and-one different states/languages/cultures.
@trinsec
I was not arguing against anything you said, just saying that the way USA got independence and was created is way different then the story here.
@mur2501 Ah okay! I simplified it, yes.
@trinsec
From what I see that place is very different and we can't understand it neither they can understand us.
@mur2501 I understand neither of those two countries! 😋
@trinsec
You can try to understand India but at the end you will always fail ![]()
The reason been that you see India as a single unit while we see it as thousands of stones barely bundled together with a thin thread called India ![]()
@mur2501 Any particular reason why those thousands of stones stay together like that? Why would they not want to become their own independent little states, for example? Just curious, since you see a lot in the news the past few decades about countries wanting to become independent.
India did have that spat with Pakistan about this, didn't they? Did more spats like that happen?
@trinsec
Well cause the regions are very inter-dependent when it comes to agricultural produce and many other stuffs. Most of the Indian regions have been inter-dependent on one other for one thing or other. It's just we have been diverse throughout a big chunk of history so it doesn't really much matters. Also you wouldn't be able to much draw boundaries here as when you divide by language the lines would be different, by culture the lines would again be different, same with religion, tradition, etc.
@mur2501 So besides Happy Independence Day, we also should wish you a Happy In Dependence Day, heh? ;)
Any more splits coming up? :P
Though I bet most states, even if they would split further, would still be bigger than my country. 😋
@trinsec
Ummm
India got independence on 15th August 1947 ![]()
Anyway on 26th January comes the Republic Day of India ( When the constitution of India came into effect on 26th January 1950 leaving the Dominion of Britain and becoming a fully independent republic )
Why it took so much time between Independence and becoming a republic?
Reason 1: India has the longest written constitution in the world so that thick book took some time to be finished
Reason 2: The princes of the 560 princely states had to decide either to join India or Pakistan or become Independent. (Though becoming independent was just on paper and not an actual option for them)
@mur2501 Well, I didn't mean In Dependence/Independence Day right now, just in general!
Leaves only one more question to ask:
Is that constitution thicker than the bible? 😋 (or what else thick books there are. oh oh I know! is it thicker than the Encyclopedia Britannica?)
@trinsec
Bible is around 788,000 words while the Indian constitution is around 145,000 words long so yeah not so thick. But also writing a constitution is much harder then writing bible ![]()
Or dictionaries ![]()
@mur2501 Heh. 😋
@trinsec
The drafters of the constitution visited and studied the constitutions of UK, USA, Canada, Australia, France, Soviet Union, Ireland, Weimer Germany, Japan, etc So the constitution as laws and provisions very similar to those nations.
Parliamentary government from UK
Bill of rights from the USA
Notions of Liberty, Equality and Fraternity from France
Distribution of power between state and center from Canada
Article of Fundamental duties from USSR
Etc.
@trinsec
Though yeah there are always skirmishes going on between the different peoples. Like the southern India sees the status of Hindi as an official language as north Indian imperialism on them. Meanwhile there is a maoist insurgency going on in the highly tribal and forested parts of India
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naxalite%E2%80%93Maoist_insurgency?wprov=sfla1
@trinsec
Also this video is cool
https://youtu.be/zdstYkuQrgw