So… you want to encourage their autism?

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@natbat I have SO MANY students who are #autistic and fascinated with measuring, analyzing and discovering more about #Minecraft who are going to f...

@josemanuel How’s playing a game helpful for society in the first place? Let them be themselves, they already have to suppress so many feelings in society.

Although this actually sounds useful. They learn to analyze data and compare sets and apply from one to the other.

@trinsec

Let them be themselves, they already have to suppress so many feelings in society.

I don’t believe encouraging an obsession with accumulating and analysing data is healthy. That’s why we created computers in the first place, so they would do that while we could be ourselves.

I don’t think, like this person clearly does, that autism is some sort of superpower that she can exploit for whatever nefarious reasons she has. I’d rather help autistic children socialise than push them even further inside their own brains.

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@josemanuel

First to make a few things clear:
I am autistic myself.
And I have a fairly good understanding of what those kids might go through.

What if they actually like analyzing data and all that? Computers be damned, they’re just tools, doesn’t mean humans can’t have a shot at it too.
Sometimes I am hyperfocused myself, then I make ridiculous lists of lists and whatnot. Waste of time? Oh, absolutely, you bet! But was it satisfying to me? Oh yeah!

They’ll have plenty of time to learn how to socialize, but does that mean you need to put them in a fascist regime that only forces them to socialize and never have fun?

After one evening of socializing, I’ll be happy to have 3 weeks of no human contact. I don’t hate humans, it is just that social contact is utterly exhausting.

Maybe try to understand that.

@trinsec I understand that very well. I’m pretty sure the kids like that kind of activity. What you have to ask yourself is why do they like it? You said it was a waste of time. Do you really enjoy wasting your time? Or is it just a form of escapism, just like other people watch action movies or play videogames on the bus? And if it is a form of escapism, shouldn’t we address the question of what are they escaping from?

I’m not a particularly sociable person. I enjoy reading, watching movies, listening to music or playing videogames, but I never do any of that as a form of escapism. To me, they are intelectually estimulating activities, never a waste of time. They make me think about stuff and help me learn new things, things that I can then communicate to other people. And that’s the really fun part, even though I, like everybody else (extroverts too), find social contact exhausting after a while.

They’ll have plenty of time to learn how to socialize, but does that mean you need to put them in a fascist regime that only forces them to socialize and never have fun?

To be honest, I find it far more fascistic to force them to work their brains out for absolutely no one’s gain. There’s something sadistic in someone thinking that a bunch of kids permanently living in their own brains is a good thing.

@josemanuel

Reading, watching movies, listening to music, playing videogames. You enjoy them but don’t see them as a form of escapism? Most entertainment is a form of escapism, even the ones you listed.

And you seem to exaggerate a lot:

‘There’s something sadistic in someone thinking that a bunch of kids permanently living in their own brains is a good thing.’

What makes you even say that? One classroom activity, and you think they’re “permanently living in their own brains”? It looks like a very intellectually stimulating activity to me.

As to why do they like it, it is a way for them to try to create order in chaos. It is a coping mechanism. Autistic people will always have trouble trying to figure out non-verbal cues in any given social interaction. It will never get easier. This helps them.

I don’t think you quite understand the scale of exhaustion here after social contact. You, like everybody else, find social contact exhausting after a while. Yes, of course, that’s normal.

But when would you find it exhausting? That is where it differs. Let’s talk scale: It might take 10 hours before you need a day of rest. It might take me 1 hour before I need 10 days of rest.

You’re still underestimating hugely.

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