@icare4america @volkris
LOL is right.
TRUMP WON
WE KNOW IT
YOU KNOW IT
Each of the 74 votes that Trump lost by were cast in public for all to see.
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2020
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@volkris
LOL. Okay.
How about the hundreds of thousands trucked in in the dark of night while voting was unprecedentedly "frozen" in the swing states. Were those done for all to see too?
It was a coup. Accept it.
What about them? Well they don't matter.
The president is elected by a few hundred Electoral College votes, and a huge part of why the US has the EC system is specifically to avoid involving thousands of questionable ballots.
We know and can verify every single elector's ballot. Trump lost by 74, and we can verify each of those 74 votes.
The thousands of ballots you have questions about just don't matter either way.
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@volkris
Fraud vitiates everything. So in this case, it's the EC that doesn't matter.
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@whatabout the EC chooses the president.
Fraud or not, it's pretty damn significant what president they choose!
@Phil No, states don't have legal authority to bound their electors to the candidate that want.
Yes, there is permission on the books for states to punish electors that vote differently, but the electors are still free to vote differently, to accept that punishment if they want, they are still unbound to the state election result.
And even that idea is a bit questionable with a lot of people arguing that states have no authority to exact such punishments, even if that is currently the state of the rules.
@volkris @whatabout @icare4america 29 states and the district of columbia bind their electors. further, which electors are chosen to vote is based on the popular presidential election in each state, so this whole argument is stupid.
@Phil again, just because some government puts some law on the books doesn't mean that law is enforceable, and states have no authority to bind their electors, no matter what they might write in their statutes.
Electers remain free to vote however they want, even if in some cases they face penalties for voting differently from how the statute would direct them to vote.
Just because a state says something is true doesn't mean it actually is true. Binding of electors is unconstitutional.
@whatabout what goal post did I move?
My stance is the same as ever, just pointing out the rules as they are.
@volkris @whatabout @icare4america not if they don't know it. Your argument that the electors are the only vote that matters, when its the popular vote that chooses the electors makes zero sense. If the popular vote is rigged, then who the electors are is rigged and thus they CAN NOT infuse legitimacy on the election as a whole. The REALITY is they have become largely ceremonial. Its dumb to argue what should be as though that can affect what actually IS.
Did you just yada-yada election fraud? I think you've unintentionally conceded your original point, that Trump "lost."
There is no more validity to a rigged election than a rigged game show. No one "loses" a rigged contest--there was no contest to lose. That corrupt pols, like crooked game show execs, threw an "award" to their predetermined "winner" is unsurprising and frankly immaterial. The whole thing is a farce, right down to the naming of the "winner."
@whatabout in the US system the president is chosen by the EC. There was no fraud in the EC vote. Every single vote can be verified, with each elector confirming that they did in fact vote the way it has been recorded.
You can talk all you want about other elections, but they don't matter. It all comes down to the EC in the US system of choosing a president.
Talk fraud all you want. Talk space aliens. Whatever you want. But at the end of the day, the EC voted against Trump so he lost fair and square.
In the US system of choosing presidents ONLY the EC matters.
@volkris @whatabout @icare4america
The Electoral College vote would have been impacted if not overturned had the joint session of Congress that convened in the U.S. Capitol on January 6th been allowed to review before certifying Biden's "win."
Why on earth do you think "they" felt the need to fabricate an "in$urrection?"
There was nothing above board about how the 2020 election was conducted, and anyone who thinks otherwise suffers from cognitive dissonance.
You shared that electoral college post just to PISS ME OFF, didn't you.
It worked.
I was already loaded for bear (thank you @trujusluv, for the bear video) because of a hurtful text from my daughter.
It's going to be a multiple Mimosa ight.
@1031 The session was allowed to review before counting the EC votes.
And this is what it came up with during that review.
"They" are fabricating insurrection based on political strategy, because they think they get ahead by doing it, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the vote itself.
Trump lost the EC vote regardless of any of the political nonsense that has happened before or since.
@volkris @whatabout @icare4america
You're entitled to your own truth, but you are not entitled to the facts.
The session was NOT allowed to review before mayhem broke out at the Capital. They hadn't even gotten much into the "A" states when members of congress were hurried out. Even the New York Times said as much in a 1/16/21 piece.
Do me a favor. Leave me out of any future responses. Life is too short to suffer fools.
@1031 not allowed?
The members of Congress don't ask for permission. They can do what they want, and they were absolutely able to conduct that review regardless of the mayhem.
And the New York Times isn't exactly authoritative these days.
The joint session of Congress had the exact same ability to review before and after the events, so they judged that they had sufficiently reviewed the matter.
I don't know who you think would have been there preventing review, but that's just not how the process works.
They were perfectly able to conduct their review, and that's how the EC vote turned out, with a resounding loss for Trump.
No matter what excuses he might try to be making for his loss.
@volkris @whatabout @icare4america A lot has changed since the founding. The Constitution gives states a lot of power over how they hold elections. So most states have bound their electors to the candidate that wins the popular election in the state, so the idea the the EC chooses the president it overstated. At one time they did, but it really isn't true any longer.