@icare4america @volkris
LOL is right.
TRUMP WON
WE KNOW IT
YOU KNOW IT
Each of the 74 votes that Trump lost by were cast in public for all to see.
https://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2020
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@volkris
LOL. Okay.
How about the hundreds of thousands trucked in in the dark of night while voting was unprecedentedly "frozen" in the swing states. Were those done for all to see too?
It was a coup. Accept it.
What about them? Well they don't matter.
The president is elected by a few hundred Electoral College votes, and a huge part of why the US has the EC system is specifically to avoid involving thousands of questionable ballots.
We know and can verify every single elector's ballot. Trump lost by 74, and we can verify each of those 74 votes.
The thousands of ballots you have questions about just don't matter either way.
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@volkris
Fraud vitiates everything. So in this case, it's the EC that doesn't matter.
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@whatabout the EC chooses the president.
Fraud or not, it's pretty damn significant what president they choose!
@volkris @whatabout @icare4america A lot has changed since the founding. The Constitution gives states a lot of power over how they hold elections. So most states have bound their electors to the candidate that wins the popular election in the state, so the idea the the EC chooses the president it overstated. At one time they did, but it really isn't true any longer.
@Phil No, states don't have legal authority to bound their electors to the candidate that want.
Yes, there is permission on the books for states to punish electors that vote differently, but the electors are still free to vote differently, to accept that punishment if they want, they are still unbound to the state election result.
And even that idea is a bit questionable with a lot of people arguing that states have no authority to exact such punishments, even if that is currently the state of the rules.
@Phil again, just because some government puts some law on the books doesn't mean that law is enforceable, and states have no authority to bind their electors, no matter what they might write in their statutes.
Electers remain free to vote however they want, even if in some cases they face penalties for voting differently from how the statute would direct them to vote.
Just because a state says something is true doesn't mean it actually is true. Binding of electors is unconstitutional.
@whatabout what goal post did I move?
My stance is the same as ever, just pointing out the rules as they are.
@volkris @whatabout @icare4america not if they don't know it. Your argument that the electors are the only vote that matters, when its the popular vote that chooses the electors makes zero sense. If the popular vote is rigged, then who the electors are is rigged and thus they CAN NOT infuse legitimacy on the election as a whole. The REALITY is they have become largely ceremonial. Its dumb to argue what should be as though that can affect what actually IS.
@volkris @whatabout @icare4america 29 states and the district of columbia bind their electors. further, which electors are chosen to vote is based on the popular presidential election in each state, so this whole argument is stupid.