volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@atomicpoet

Number 1, I wouldn't say those words :)

The whole point is to not bother the user with all that stuff, so why bring it up in the marketing?/

Number 2, Mastodon's success thus far shows that "decentralized" is not the dealbreaker, even though I'd argue that the platform is not.

@atomicpoet @SrRochardBunson

I really think so much comes down simply to a well-done UI that more or less hides machinery from the user.

For example, in my mind public key encryption should be core to all of this, and yet various instant messenger clients have managed to make end to end encryption accessible to masses without them having to know the term "signing key" at all.

FWIW, I really think mass adoption just comes down to creating a user experience that isn't actually all that big a hurdle to overcome.

But maybe I'm too optimistic :)

@kidehen @SrRochardBunson @atomicpoet

Well, I'd only change the word unilateral to universal :)

My instance can absolutely screw with my identity and content unilaterally. It just can't screw with everyone else's, universally.

But sure, federation isn't **bad** it's just not as fully decentralized as I would have liked to see, where each user really does have that ownership.

@m @SrRochardBunson

Just to hit on this one side point, that's not quite right.

There are tradeoffs in blockchains where you CAN start at the beginning of the chain and be absolutely certain that it's all solid, but there are techniques for trimming parts of the chain to lower storage requirements, maybe with less certainty in what you know of the state of the chain.

You know how in Bitcoin there is a tradeoff between time and listening for confirmations? It's a similar thing.

You don't necessarily have to have the entire blockchain locally. That's the ideal, but there are ways to avoid it.

@alfredo_liberal@universeodon.com

But Biden has lost court case after court case as he tried to circumvent the democratically elected representatives.

Even if you're OK with that, doesn't it show someone who shouldn't be trusted to make strategically good decisions?

Not to mention, Biden only has authority over one of three branches of government. Even if you have such faith in his operation of authority, the other two branches can still go different directions.

And then, what happens after Biden? These corporate subsidies will take years to actually start paying off; do you really trust the next president to also collect the taxes you are counting on?

You're putting so much faith both in authorities with questionable present actions and unknown futures!

@alfredo_liberal@universeodon.com

Yeah, we've heard those promises before and we've seen them broken countless times.

Each time we're told this time will be different.

Oh, but.... THIS time will be different?

I think you have far too much trust in the promises of politicians handing out public funds to private corporations.

@alfredo_liberal@universeodon.com

Well, private corporations will make some chips here in the US, and keep the profits from those sales, thanks to the subsidies.

They won't be enough chips for US markets, and they won't be the right type of chips to satisfy all domestic demand either, just based on the published plans of what's to be built.

I fear those huge corporate subsidies won't have the results that the politicians sold to the public.

As usual.

@TwistedEagle

I don't think there's such a thing as expunging an impeachment.

Since the Constitution recognizes a process of impeachment but doesn't provide any way of undoing one, that's not really a thing.

@helgek

Depending on your goals, yep! There probably are better protocols for this.

However, if your goal is specifically to have a Fediverse integrated appliance then putting a minimal and specialized ActivityPub server on the device itself has the advantage of having the device self-contained, not reliant on any sort of house server.

There are, of course, tradeoffs, as there always will be when choosing a more distributed solution.

@dragfyre

@hasmis right, but Trump's documents weren't relocated until he was on his way out of office.

No telling what was overlooked while he was in charge, but this isn't a case of it!

@cjd

One issue is that spammers have at least an idea of a sustainable plan: pay this money to spam and make up for it in sales or scams or whatever they're selling in the spam.

It's not as straightforward to recoup the cost of buying that transaction capacity in the blocks.

It would be more of a one time, let's spend this money to screw with Bitcoin for a day! sort of plan, but I can't think of a way to translate that sustainably into a cycle that's funded.

@manton

Well, I'd say public vs private transportation solve different type of problems, so one isn't a direct replacement for the other.

Public transport is great for bulk transport of people with generally homogeneous needs, but it's inefficient for groups of the population who don't fit the mold.

Society, and our systems, have and need both populations to function well.

There is so much room for gains in efficiency of private transportation, so it's arguably worth investing in that direction.

@jeffjarvis @brass75 @paul @mihobu @mathewi @glennf

Maybe one issue is that conversations take time, and as the academics jokingly say, "You should be writing"?

I like to think that ActivityPub features can help make a journalist's time spent engaging more efficient, automating and organizing some of the tasks they'd spend their time on with platforms like Twitter.

*(To be clear, the "You" there is the general you from the joke, for anyone not familiar with the trope)*

@cjd

Keep in mind that the attacker is losing money through those fees, though.

I'm not sure this would really count as much of an attack, more of yeah, that's how it's supposed to work.

(Though sure, maybe we shouldn't want it to work that way.)

It reminds me of the analogy of going to a small restaurant and implementing the attack of buying all their food so nobody else can get any.

And the small family owned restaurant keeps raising their prices so long as you can afford it.

Yeah, stinks for other customers, but it's how restaurants work, and the owners are delighted, and eventually you run out of money.

Anyway, yep, and miners can implement that sort of ranking to avoid this situation if they wish. The fees are the mitigation built in.

@lauren

The main issue I have with your post is its sense that all this (waves hands) is a single, unified place, when it's really not.

It's not one club but rather a system of cooperating clubs, each of which has its own environment and norms.

I personally absolutely wouldn't be in one of the clubs engaging in that sort of exclusivity, mainly because it disempowers the members themselves. I would get less opportunities to engage with the would-be members who are excluded, so I'm out.

So join one of the wide open clubs and support the wide-open norms.

Which you can only do by first recognizing that there are different clubs here to join.

@cybertailor

Oh yeah, the public has never voted for anything bad...

The world has a long, long history of such projects going horribly, horribly wrong due to everything from voters' ignorance through officials' conflicts of interest.