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@Bernard

Well, it's a story of putting all the eggs in one basket, with upsides and downsides.

The downside is that it's one-stop-shopping for information. The upside is that it can be a single, professionally managed, legally accountable operator.

In Fediverse there's no way to know what those servers involved are doing with the information. You definitely can't hold 20K instances to any particular legal standard.

So it's a mixed bag, a wild west, for better or worse.

@nyquildotorg

@ChemicalEyeGuy

I mean, it's not up to judges to approve drugs. That's not their function in the US system.

Their job is to rule on whether laws have been properly respected, and in this case the FDA didn't follow the law, which is something the president really should see to.

We should also look into reforming the laws, but in any case that's not up to judges either.

@Bernard

But the distributed design of Fediverse requires it to broadcast content in ways that make it easier for third parties to vacuum content.

Not only is it still possible for instances to set up fingerprinting and cookies, but there's the new vector of all of the connectivity stuff normally inside a centralized system being broadcast to the world as it has to traverse between instances.

@nyquildotorg

@pezmico

But YES, let's argue about the effectiveness to figure out whether it's effective before society responds together with ineffective and cumbersome reactions!

@gotofritz@fosstodon.org

I know it's a bit pedantic, but I still think it's slightly useful to point out that "show things in chronological order" *is* an algorithm.

People here celebrating the lack of algorithm on miss that there is an algorithm, just a really simple one, and maybe they'd be better served by a little more intelligence in the system.

I point out that there is an algorithm to try to get past that barrier of thinking there isn't one. Then the discussion is about how to improve it, not whether to accept it.

@stanstallman

Right, but the determination of harmful is set by policy under the authority of the president, so presidents are pretty much by definition immune from the requirements of the act.

It basically says people can't do things counter to the president's wishes. The president himself will never be in a position of doing something counter to his own wishes.

@newsopinionsandviews@masto.ai

The story has its facts wrong, though. In particular, Citizens United *supported* campaign limits and regulation, ruling against the challengers that wanted those regulations declared unconstitutional.

But overall the piece talks as if the Supreme Court is a legislature, crafting policies and shaping laws concerning campaigning. That's simply not the role of the Court in the US system of government.

The Court merely points out that we have constitutionally protected rights to engage in the democratic process, even if politicians wish to control us, and it "guts" those efforts to silence political speech.

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@tetrislife

This kind of thing is why I really wish ActivityPub had focused on users, not instances, and included Web of Trust sort of functionality in its core.

@erikalyn

Always remember the answer to your question: voters elected representatives that thought it was a very good idea.

Democracy stinks sometimes. But dealing with it means addressing these issues in the general public to nudge people into electing better representatives.

This whole mess is about the people we elected to Congress. The last ones left a mess and the new ones are doing a questionable job cleaning it up.
We should probably stop electing such people.

@grumble209

I imagine the legislation isn't particularly workable, and if enforced MT will send Google a bill to collect a fine, and Google will laugh the letter's way to the garbage can.

I would be nice, though, if this resulted in a court case that emphasized that no, states can't regulate the internet itself.

@mattblaze @jameeljaffer

@SusannaShakespeare

Here's the bill that you can read for yourself, without having to rely on outfits like NYTimes.
After all, there's a reason people have lost so much faith in press organizations: all too often their reporting just doesn't pass fact checking.

congress.gov/bill/118th-congre

@eftheflash

What outrage?

The president is seeking more power, and Congress is simply saying, alright, well let's find some agreeable terms for granting it.

The debt ceiling is only an issue here because of a mess of legislation that Biden signed and then his threats to default.

Normally presidents work with Congress to negotiate for borrowing power, but this Dem POTUS seems to prefer the drama.

@josh

Same!

I wish you well, and I hope sometime that you might develop in your mathematical skills and understanding of federal budgeting practices!

@MugsysRapSheet @potus

@josh

The Treasury reports suggest that they are generally taking in around three times the revenue that would be needed to service the debt. Does that answer your question as to what plenty means? I don't know why you are so concerned with that, but yeah, it's not even close.

The president is constitutionally obligated to pay this debt service, as per the 14th Amendment. If he doesn't pay it, then he should be impeached as he is actively choosing to violate the Constitution in a really serious way.

@MugsysRapSheet @potus

@josh

How long? Ongoing. The Treasury brings in so much revenue through taxation, not even counting other revenue sources, that it will have enough to service its debts for the foreseeable future.

The rest of it is between the president and the Congress. But the Constitution is clear that these debts must be paid, and they can be paid, so unless Biden wants to be impeached, he must pay them.

@MugsysRapSheet @potus

@josh

I'm just pointing out that according to the Treasury, the Treasury has plenty of revenue with which to service its debts and avoid default.

Make of that what you will.

*I* would be calling politicians out for lying to the public, but whatever.
@MugsysRapSheet @potus

@SusannaShakespeare

It's funny you say that since Biden has spent a week complaining about the details in the legislation that they passed, but you say there are no details?

But of course there are details. They are posted right there on the official government websites for us all to look up for ourselves if we want to.

@atomicpoet

But how does Fediverse prevent that?

Seems like their system would be just about as effective here as it vacuums up the content ActivityPub is broadcasting.
@socialmedianews

@jf_718

Well, I always want to highlight the downside of defederation that is removing power from users to make those decisions for themselves.

Whether that trade is bad or good is up to the people involved, but personally I really want to see more empowered users so I'd generally promote defederation as the last option, used only when an instance is posing a threat to the infrastructure.

@Annaeus

I think you are looking too deeply into this because the major role of representatives is to represent, regardless of whether their constituents are floating toward one philosophy or another, OR whether the representative job itself is a good idea or a bad idea, given whatever philosophical basis.

These functionaries seem to be doing their job, and it's a separate question weather that's a job that they should be doing.

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