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@courtcan

I think that overlooks that has been actively *rewarded* for so much of the BS he does, which has conditioned him to do more of it. In particular, we reward him with attention.

He gained power based on popularity of his behavior, as frustrating as that is to watch.

The reason I think this is important is because if we highlight the role of society in pushing him to do this crap, we can work on cutting it off.

We need to stop feeding the troll. Accountability can play into his hands.

@ChuffMeister

Maybe it's not some right-wing conspiracy, and Netflix is simply pointing out that those movies are popular in the world?

@nihilazo

Maybe one way to put it is that yes, a responsible developer will stand by his application, but in the open source world developers are free not to be so responsible :)

Really, it's like writing good comments in the code: arguably a developer SHOULD write good comments, but obviously devs, especially volunteer ones, often don't.

@calcifer

@newhinton

You can spill as many words as you want, but none of it changes the greed of demanding others resources while accusing them of being greedy.

@robarnold

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@newhinton

Nothing to do with whether it's okay or not. You might think it's okay for people to greedily complain about greed while demanding other people's resources.

Whether that's okay or not is in the eye of the beholder.

Seems pretty upside down to me, though.

@robarnold

@persagen

Just because a precedent is overturned doesn't mean such a course correction is lawless.

Some precedents are themselves lawless, so it's out of respect for the law that they get overturned.

@jasongreen

One quick note, if you aren't familiar with it, the ActivityPub specification goes out of its way to say that entities don't have to be human users.

AP explicitly allows for non-user actors.

@newhinton

I agree that I am completely ignoring that :)

It has nothing to do with people demanding Reddit's resources, demanding other people's stuff, greedily.

@robarnold

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@nonproductive

Yep, so that's exactly why I caution people not to rush to judgment here and be aware of that there are contested facts at the heart of this case.

I often do think of it in terms of a murder trial: people keep rushing forward with murder accusations before we even check to see if there's actually a dead victim involved.

By analogy, so many of these accusations over the last decade or so have involved murder accusations where the supposed victim is right there joining the chorus, jumping up and down very much alive, and pointing fingers. The world is just that absurd these days :-)

@Popehat @GottaLaff @TonyStark

@DanielCha

Yes but since a common usage of "adjacent" is exactly "adjoining" that is a distinction without a clear difference.

And that is even if somehow Kagan has managed to go through life ignorant of this definition. I find that hard to believe, but okay.

At the very least that potential equivalence of adjacent and adjoining means that the Court's reading is reasonable. It just applied a common interpretation of the term.

The rest strikes me as jumping through some pretty high hoops to expand executive branch power enormously without clear congressional approval.

Congress is of course free to clarify that it does want the president to have this huge amount of power, but at this point it's plenty reasonable to conclude that this power was not granted.

@newhinton

Yes I am leaving that out because it's not relevant.

If I am demanding your stuff then it doesn't really matter what terms you would prefer to provide your resources, I'm still demanding your stuff, greedily.

A whole lot of people are showing a real lack of introspection, and I think your comment is illustrating that.

@robarnold

@veritropism

Sure that all makes sense.

My point is specifically about this argument, that comes up in far more places than just Reddit, that involves calling someone greedy while demanding their resources.

It's a much sounder argument to simply stick with the company not providing good service or listening to its users.

@luca

But consider: those search engines themselves tend to be centralized :)

There are real questions about scalability on the storage and processing side for full text search of a distributed system.

This is not a simple or easy problem to solve.

@andreclaassen

@TastyWheat

Governments have an awful lot of private data that isn't classified, though.

@edgeoforever

@MCQN_Ltd

Personally, I believe the better approach focuses on giving users power to shape their experiences, even recognizing the diversity of experience that different users want, rather than focusing on cultural standards.

These are technological challenges that should be approached with technical, not social, solutions.

@arthrowl @amcewen @siderea

Accusations of greed are funny things.

The drama follows an all too common pattern where people are accusing others of greed because they want something the other has.

Yeah, Reddit is so greedy for charging for providing its service, but *I demand their resources.*

It's not exactly taking a high road to describe someone as greedy while claiming those resources for oneself.

@schizanon

I think it's key that ActivityPub is focused on instances being the first class actors instead of having that focus be on users.

A focus on user-focused PKI would be a fundamental chance to the core organization of ActivityPub, not something that could be elegantly bolted on.

@danie10

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@nonproductive

Those facts are contested, though.
Trump supporters make a big deal about how he did return documents, was happily working with the archives about returning more, and wasn't given time to address their additional demands.

It's another case where there are two completely separate sets of facts that different groups are working with.

I suspect reality is somewhere in the middle, but hopefully through the trial we might sort some of the conflict out.

@Popehat @GottaLaff @TonyStark

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