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@dswidow

That's not quite the situation.

Firstly, he wasn't charged over classification. The prosecutors used a different law where classification status doesn't matter, sidestepping questions about classification.

Secondly, they charged him with things beyond simply retaining the documents. The alleged lies were themselves criminal, separate from the retention.

But to your main point, no, nothing became illegal retroactively. Rather, Trump's statements gave prosecutors evidence to prove what had always been illegal, allegedly.

It's like, if you publicly brag about robbing a bank leading to your prosecution, it wasn't that the bragging made the robbery illegal retroactively but that it helped prove what had always been illegal.

@Teri_Kanefield

@cendawanita

I don't think it's really a norm for anti-discovery as much as discoverability is a legitimately difficult engineering problem for a distributed system, one that hasn't been sufficiently solved to make it an option in the first place.

I suppose some may prefer it that way, but I'd say the norm is mainly due to lack of a really viable alternative option.

It's like, it's not that I'm anti-fusion power; it's that there isn't a fusion power option available yet.

@schamspeare

Bingo.

Meanwhile all of this benefits the guy, playing directly into his rhetoric and fundraising.

These indictments may have been the very best way to improve his chances of becoming president again instead of leaving him to fade away on some golf course somewhere.

@smn

Lately they have been communities ripping themselves apart with fractious ideas about which causes are vital enough to shut things down.

It's been bottom-up drama, not top down control.

But those are social problems that probably don't have technological solutions.

If your group of members prioritize things other than participating in a community, well, it's hard to force that community to continue to function no matter how good a programmer you may be.

@Wuzzy

@dstahlberg

and you also lose the focused development resources raised and then managed by those operations.

Distributed is inherently less efficient, with duplication of effort and communication overhead. Sometimes the advantages outweigh those costs, but this applies to the development effort itself as well.

@Wuzzy

@danie10

How do you figure search results will be richer?

It's a lot easier to index one standardized, centralized website than an undefined number of instances doing their own things and hosting content that's a mix of unique and redundant.

It seems much more challenging to make searching that have the same level of utility.

@omegaman, one would think so, but there are those who just REALLY REALLY hate the idea of QT so much that even opt-in is more than they can accept.

Their argument is that QT would ruin the whole vibe so much that even if they opted out, even the non-QT content would be brought down into the mud.

I've gotten the sense that their side is losing the argument, though.

@prachisrivas

@astroturds

Result: interesting, my reply from a Mastodon instance showed up, but on the web interface I don't see my username.

Maybe a little rough edge to look into.
@ValueSubtracted

@mjf_pro

I believe it is possible! Although they may have some rough edges to work out as of now.

I just commented on a Lemmy thread from a Mastodon instance, and it more or less worked.

@nicemicro

Depending on how they do it behind the scenes, they might be helpfully tagging the data with an indication that it's a reply and not a post, so that it really becomes up to the client UI to decide how best to handle it.

A lot of things on Fediverse are like that, with ActivityPub protocol giving the information, but leaving it up to the user interface developer to figure out how best to serve users with the incoming data.

@prachisrivas

Also, some modified Mastodon instances have QT functionality.

This one, qoto, does.

A lot of people involved in Mastodon have extremely strong anti-QT feelings, BTW, so this is a quite dramatic topic for man.

Maybe people in the Mastodon world absolutely do not want QT available, believing that it's a blight upon speech.

I disagree with them.

@omegaman

@astroturds

If you're interested in a little more behind the scenes info on how this works, (and since I want to make a test post to see how it shows up in Lemmy):

Since there's no central clearinghouse for content in the distributed Fediverse, each instance broadcasts its users' new posts, but only to other instances that need to see that content, generally because they host at least one user interested in it.

So you'll see times when your instance won't have received any older content before its first user followed the remote account. After that, the remote instance knows to start sending content to your instance, to that user really, but then your instance knows about the content.

In other words, your instance begins its subscription to the remote account by having any user begin to follow it.

@ValueSubtracted

@goldengateblond

I think that might be giving the guy too much credit for either understanding his situation OR not actually gaining perverse pleasure out of it.

Roses are red,
The troll is fed.

@tnoisu

I think you underestimate the downside and disruption here.

It's not merely letting people know so that they can decide their own stance. Taking down communications platforms as a strategy for communicating is much more actively shoving things into peoples' faces than you frame it... and also a bit absurd?

Anyway, the might as well stay on the platform that gives them more value. For so many that won't be Fediverse, and the disruption will have been just imposition and annoyance by people with an uninteresting cause to push.
@RedditGoneWild

@marcel

Meh, I often see political donors being used as scapegoats.

At the end of the day, if you vote for the guy who does bad things because he chooses to sell out to political donors, maybe stop electing that guy.

I really always strive to emphasize voters' role in empowering officials. There's a danger to acting as if voters don't have a key place in the political process, one of those self-fulfilling claims.

If voters are convinced that they have no power, then they don't.

Meanwhile I emphasize, such and such a politician took a bribe? Well, his voters actively empowered a bribable person, and probably confirmed it by reelecting him!

@dsfgs

Oh, I see what you mean.
I thought you were talking about better enforcement to really tax peoples' Bitcoin holdings.

I don't think that will ever happen, though, specifically because it would stop them from printing money.

Another day in the multiverse of echo chambers:

Democrats smugly saying Republicans are freaking out about the indictment and Republicans smugly saying Democrats are freaking out about how he's succeeding despite them.

Know thy enemy, they say. Well, if either of these groups actually followed that advice, maybe we could settle some things.

Well, all ya can do is appreciate the absurdity.

@pinkyfloyd

This isn't something that can be solved with a little tweaking, though.

As it is, we'd expect every post to be sent to every subscribed end user, by sending a copy to each relevant instance with a list of recipients. That's the core heart of the protocol, no matter what language software may be written in, how it organizes variables to save memory or whatever.

But that requires a load that increases as # of posts * instances.

It ends up looking awfully exponential, a graph that quickly explodes with increasing use.

It's no simple feat to tweak the system to arrest such a problem of exponential scaling, but switching to single user instances only drives the explosion faster.

@Natureshadow@floss.social @bengo @lrhodes @h@mymath.rocks @smallcircles @liaizon

@lauren

They are only trustworthy if they're actually viewed, and I'm convinced they won't be.

Heck, we can see the nonsense surrounding recordings of Congress to see how that's failed to work out well.

The balance of considerations is a bit different in the representative branch, but the success of using video there to mislead would only be duplicated in the Court.

@TerryHancock

@pinkyfloyd

No, it's not an implementation issue but the design of the protocol itself, the way ActivityPub has instances address each other and send out per-instance messages.

The protocol allows bundling of messages to multiple users on one instance, but with one user per instance the messages would need to be duplicated, scaling with instance count.

@Natureshadow@floss.social @bengo @lrhodes @h@mymath.rocks @smallcircles @liaizon

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