volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@charlotteclymer you say hardest way possible, but I'm really getting the impression that McCarthy really enjoys this ending.

He came out ahead. He made his escape from an impossible situation having been speaker and made a fool of the idiots who were such a thorn in his side.

Pelosi did have it easy. She was speaker when the majority was held by a party that was suspiciously okay with toeing lines and following the crowd, which stands in start contrast to Republicans, but that doesn't really say much about the two different speakers.

Anyway, good on McCarthy. It looks like he did what he set out to do and now the House has to deal with the result of this chaos bourne of collaboration between Democrats and Republican extremists.

We get the government we vote for.

@MollyNYC

Meh the party generally rejects these assholes but had to tolerate them because the majority was so slim.

But the assholes certainly don't represent the whole party that is largely sick of them and has been for a long time.

@charlotteclymer

@fraying meh. I'd say either is sufficient: one doesn't have to assume a lot about technology to think little of humans.

@kwheaton you're still missing how it was designed AND how it works today.

The House represents population, representing the majority of people. The Senate represents states, representing the majority of states.

BOTH work to counter the tyranny of the minority, as without the Senate the House would have minorities of states able to take control while without the House the Senate would have minorities of populations taking control.

Both chambers were set up **and continue to operate today** as checks against tyranny of minority.

But like you yourself highlighted, the point is that no, the Senate doesn't favor any states. It has equal representation of all states, exactly as it's supposed to in order to avoid tyranny of the minority of states.

Makes perfect sense today as ever.

@jimlil well, FWIW, I do see a lot of that even though you don't.

Different feeds and subscriptions, I suppose.

But if it matters, then FYI, there is a lot of that on this platform at least in some webs.

One problem is that people who take that position seem vocal about actively excluding new people, pushing for instance bans and such.

@watson@freeatlantis.com the Congressional Record debunks this claim.

Yes, a lot was done. It makes no sense to deny that when we can see it with our own eyes.

@watson@freeatlantis.com and so there are serious questions being raised about Gaetz's honesty when he makes these charges.

He's not exactly a guy who invites people to believe his claims.

@marynelson8

The vast majority of members voting against continuing were Democrats, so for better or worse, it was really thanks for them.

Had they not supported Gaetz the far right lawmakers would have no influence in the Congress.

@radhakrishnan@mas.to well no.

He was ousted by 216 members who decided they'd rather shut down the chamber, for better or worse.

A member like Gaetz doesn't have such authority under our system.

https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2023/roll519.xml

@taco well, the obvious alternative is a nonfunctional Congress and a government shutdown.

That's what the Dems seem to be choosing, though, so enjoy the popcorn, I guess.

Maybe stock up because things would get weird without a federal government in operation?

@ncw413 well that 8 and the 208 Democrats that voted alongside them.

https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2023/roll519.xml

@lauren I have a lot of patience, don't care about the politics of it, and I won't be sad about being voted out if they don't like how I do things.

Hat in the ring!

@dancinyogi

Yep. And I'd encourage everyone to check the voting roll to see if their representative voted for this shut down.

Here's the roll:
https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2023/roll519.xml

@somcak

@cwgrody

Republicans voted to keep it functioning. Democrats voted against.

@dancinyogi @somcak

@drrjv she often seems to ask questions that come across as someone not familiar with the case material, who didn't do their homework and read the briefs.

That might be good for journalists who need to be the voice of the people, asking questions that have straightforward answers, but it's concerning when they're coming from a judge in the process of working on a case.

She often seems like she should have a better understanding of the case before she starts spending time asking such basic questions.

@cliftonmr you are incorrect :)

Speakers don't get to just set up rules on their own, unilaterally. The House has a running set of rules that have been agreed to by the entire chamber.

So no, he didn't set the rules this way.

@Nonilex right, and then McCarthy went on to list the conservative positions that Gaetz voted to squash, from reining in spending through border security.

He didn't just make the bald accusation. He provided examples to back his claim.

@Nonilex well... they did

@jamesmarshall what?

In this vote the Democrats voted with the GOP extremists.