volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@ignova I never said it was intolerable.

Taxation is a necessary evil to fund government in a modern society.

However, as we set tax policy we need to balance the real world implications and the real world impacts of the tax regimes that we settle on.

So this will make it harder for families to afford houses, and it will make it harder for travelers to find places to stay, but maybe we decide that those are acceptable costs to fund the social programs that we find important.

It's fine to make that trade off. We just have to be conscious of the costs as we do.

@charmainewimpiris of course they are right because NPR is state affiliated, as NPR stations everywhere I've ever lived have proudly boasted.

Not that I think it matters what Twitter says.

But yes, Twitter echoed NPR's self-identification there, so I don't know why you're asking. Again, particularly because it's not substantial.

@taylorlorenz @caseynewton

@izzaboo @anildash but that's my point: let's not dump power into them.

It kind of gets it backwards to dump power and then expect morality. Instead we should deny them power BECAUSE we can't expect morality.

They are the wrong tools for the job. It's akin to buying more and more expensive screwdrivers when what you need is a wrench. No, let's stop putting more and more faith in corporations to be moral leaders in society and instead recognize that it's not what they are really able to do so they should be disempowered.

@fgcallari @dwineman

@Wolven the key is that central management of society is always destined to fail because of the unsolvable problem of managing the diversity of values in the population.

So in the end it doesn't even matter whether the person proposing such a regime is a good person or a bad person, it's not going to work, and it needs to be immediately rejected.

It's only icing on that cake that people proposing to control others tend to be, well, not the greatest of people.

After all they are proposing supremacy of one form or another. Whether white supremacy or some other supremacy, well you're already through that door.

@charmainewimpiris nope, that is not my solution.

In fact what I'm describing is no solution. It's more about them not contributing to the problem, not making it worse but making these overtly biased choices.

@taylorlorenz @caseynewton

@charmainewimpiris the public has lost faith in journalism, with many people believing that reporters are putting their own personal opinions ahead of actually reporting what's going on in the world.

It would be really nice if we could have journalists acting in ways as to restore that trust.

So here NPR giving up an effective platform for mass communication helps to reinforce that image that NPR in particular is following its biases instead of presenting accurate and reliable reporting.

It's a black eye for NPR's reputation, and unfortunately for faith in journalism in general.

NPR doesn't like twitter? That's nice. But it turns out they let their opinions guide them instead of focusing on legitimate reporting.

@taylorlorenz @caseynewton

@thisismissem I really dislike how this proposal seems to double down on the model of instances over users.

I would much rather see systems where individual users can subscribe to, effectively, the moderation services they believe match the experiences they personally want here instead of relying on the opinions and choices of their own instances to impose moderation.

I really wish people acting in this space would shift to putting users first.

@thenexusofprivacy

@NaturalNews unfortunately for Americans, ceasefire is not an option on the table.

Sorry, America.

@charmainewimpiris what happened was that there was less attention given to NPR content, allowing other nut jobs to fill the void that they left, and meanwhile NPR itself came across as looking politicized for making that decision.

So it was bad for both NPR and society more broadly.

@taylorlorenz @caseynewton

@carlysagan yes but that's a different, slippery slope sort of argument. It's a different issue.

The planet can take this level of activity. Maybe it wouldn't be able to take a dramatically increased level of activity, a dramatically different level, but for now we're talking about this level.

Heck, a system like starship offers to deliver payloads more efficiently than other systems, so the sooner it gets put into production the less environmental impact there will be. It would require fewer launches.

@waitworry I would say reporters might post on Twitter because they want the tremendous audience that that platform represents.

I would encourage them to post on gab and Truth as well since they presumably want their content to be in front of as many people as possible.

And I don't give a damn about Elon Musk.

If reporters want their content to be seen then they should post it where it will be seen, and Twitter is a particularly good place to have it seen.

But if a reporter doesn't care about their content being seen, shrug.

@pixplz

@ignova eliminating that tax break IS interfering with a family's ability to list their property.

Doubling down on municipalities' restrictions that limit how a family can make some money with what they own is the problem.

It can't just be hand waved away by saying it's "just" doing that. Doing that is an issue.

@pixplz euphemism? No. Accurate description.

Great, you don't like how Twitter is being run. Fantastic.

But that's a you problem, and if you would like to actually engage in effective journalism then you're going to have to suck it up and engage with some people that you don't necessarily like because they are the ones who need to have their misinformation debunked.

Sorry that's not your choir to preach to. But it is the echo chamber that needs to be pierced for the good of society.

I'm sorry journalism is hard. I'm sorry the real world involves people you don't like.

But if we're going to work for the good of society then sometimes we have to engage with the problems of society.

As gross as that may be to you.

@waitworry

@waitworry so you're basically arguing that we should only preach to our own choirs, only stay in our own echo chambers.

No I would say that it's exactly the audience predisposed toward not wanting to hear the truth that needs to be courted the most heavily.

Folks who already know what's going on in current events aren't the ones who most need to hear good reporting. It's the people who are disconnected and falling for false narratives that we really need to throw good reporting at.

@taylorlorenz @caseynewton

@ignova so I guess it's time to invest in Hilton.

But really your framing is questionable.

Being able to rent out the house when it's not in use also HELPS a family afford a place to live. It helps to offset the cost of the mortgage.

The family trying to afford a place to live is harmed by these restrictions that limit the way that family can use their property.

So this sort of restriction is really questionable coming and going. That's the point.

@pixplz well we clearly disagree about the importance of this reporting.

I mean I take your example and say YES if what I'm reporting is substantial and worthwhile then I would post it on that website even if I disagree with how it's being run.

Ridiculous? No, in line with my goal of getting good information to the public. Practical and effective.

I think you're a fool for giving up that platform, but great, we both think each other are fools. Yay social media.

@waitworry

@charmainewimpiris I mean you are dovetailing with my illustration here.

A doctor leaving patients to suffer because of ideology or disagreements with management is a bad thing in my book.

Maybe you support that. Fine. That's just not my position.

Personally, I'm against suffering. But you do you.

@taylorlorenz @caseynewton

@ignova have you ever wanted to get a place to stay in another city?

I mean that's a real need.

Setting up these roadblocks to letting people host others in their houses benefits corporate hotels, you realize.

We will have fewer options for finding places to stay outside of the hotel chains with these restrictions.

@waitworry A reporter who picks and chooses publishing media based on personal grudges instead of effectiveness of disseminating information is doing a disservice.

@taylorlorenz @caseynewton

@waitworry what analogy?@taylorlorenz @caseynewton