volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@obeto@mas.to Well I think the question is whether you want to make any progress or not.

I am not kidding you. That argument doesn't resonate with an awful lot of people.

So if you just want to yell into the wind, fine! Hey that's what I do here on social media! If that's your goal, go for it!

However, if you actually want to make a difference then you need to recognize that that argument does not resonate with so many Americans.

I'm not telling you what to do or what not to do. You do what you want to do. But if you want to actually make a difference then you need to recognize what you're up against.

And it has nothing to do with the truth. It's all about what propaganda does and does not work.

@LisaKalayji@sfba.social I mean what's the alternative?

If you're not producing, if you're not helping out your fellow human, what would you prefer people to be doing?

@realcaseyrollins absolutely!

And it's really interesting, because you can look at how things like geometric balance influence human perception.

Fashion theory is absolutely a thing and academically it says a lot about how our brains are wired meanwhile practically it can give us a lot of hints as to how we might want to dress if we want to have certain impacts on others.

@obeto@mas.to The thing is, this criticism resonates with an awful lot of American voters.

Just saying whatever instead of countering it kind of lets it fester.

And promoting the quotation kind of spreads it.

@micchiato@mastodon.social you got it

@vrruiz if he can't believe it's accidental then he's a fool.

Of course it can be accidental. It's, as he says, thematic, so it's not surprising at all that such language would be used against each other.

It's just really silly to make this kind of complaint.

@micchiato@mastodon.social wow if that's what you've watched it sounds like you tuned into some propaganda.

It's just not a realistic portrait of what's been going on in the real world.

@RM_Transit Oh I do, and I know a lot of other people who do as well.

Like I said, it is a personal subjective valuation.

But at the least when you talk about government subsidies you're talking about taking money from people and redirecting society's resources in that direction. So it is absolutely a cost.

The problem is that some people are willing to pay the price and others aren't, so that's why we have political systems to decide what to do.

@RM_Transit but at the same time the costs of charging infrastructure are also a huge issue, as is the cost of losing ICE vehicles that a lot of people really prefer.

So again it becomes a subjective valuation situation.

@RM_Transit meh, that becomes a matter of subjective valuation.

A whole lot of people don't value such a change so it wouldn't represent a public benefit, merely a corporate subsidy.

@RM_Transit Well that's fair enough if that's your complaint.

I thought maybe you were talking about stuff like how long it takes or how expensive it is.

But yeah if more charging stations are what you need, fair enough!

Although I do think that it's a task for the companies that make money off of the stations, not the government.

@RM_Transit Well it's that EV charging is limited by things like the speed at which energy can be conducted through the charging cables and deposited into batteries.

And just spending more money doesn't change that limitation.

The metal in the charging cables can only conduct so much power, and the chemicals in the batteries can only absorb so much power per minute no matter how much money a person might try to spend on them.

So what it has to do with what you said was that it's not a matter of money or investment. There are real physical limitations that make EV charging a hassle, that can't be overcome.

@edwardchampion@universeodon.com did you have anyone report you though?

I imagine they don't screen every single video uploaded.

@arrrg and to vent for a second, you know the worst part to me, is that I come across an amazing number of people who actually support the echo chamber.

An amazing number of people flat out accept being surrounded by only bias confirming responses and they like it that way.

Well that's how people are.

@bmacDonald94 the problem is that the latte in your hand debunks that story pretty directly.

It's hard to prove the earth is round. Much easier to prove that you have derived some value from capitalism. When it's just a couple of inches from your body.

@arrrg I blame echo chambers

When you're used to the echo chamber, anyone not repeating the same verse must clearly be of the other side.

@bitcrush_io It could be done but a lot of people are really invested in the reverse chronological algorithm.

One issue is that the platform is such a fire hose that there might be thousands of posts between the last one you saw and the most recent.

So it gets complicated to try to do things more complicated than straight reverse chronological.

Not that it's a bad idea, I'm fully supportive of it, but it's more complicated than what a lot of people seem to want.

@stevesilberman imagine being so out of it that you think that's what's actually going on here.