volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@witchescauldron well now I think you've left the world of problem solving and gone into abstract flights of fancy :)

No, I'm talking about real solutions to real problems, and choosing the proper, practical solutions to different problems of different domains.

I really don't have interested in these poetic notions like "most contemporary code is capitalism".

It's a silly thing to say, when there are real problems to be solved.

@albnelson well, let me try again to lead you to where this is going :)

Over and over here you're returning to the same thing, projecting your own perspective on others and viewing others through your own lens even as they may see the world very differently.

Such projection leads to misunderstandings and confusion. It leads to faulty conclusions.

You can see it even here: once again you are "assuming that Alito and I were raised" in a certain way, and you end up "confused."

And I say YES, EXACTLY! Those assumptions are leaving you confused! So question your assumptions!

@LouisIngenthron I'd say that kind of proves my point. S230 exists outside of the CDA, and if I ask my question, "S230 of what?" then CDA is not the correct answer, and shows a misunderstanding of the state of play.

I also don't think asking a trick question would help anything.

@jchyip you see how you had to get more complicated to draw up the supposedly simpler explanation?

No, it's not a simpler explanation, as you are illustrating by having bring in all of that extra narrative to make your claim!

And that's not even getting into whether your story is actually true. It's just showing how it's more complicated to arrive at your conclusion.

@albnelson that you can't imagine such diversity is my entire point.

@timo21 again, for the purpose of technicality, not for the purpose of general usage.

Arguing about the technical definition doesn't change that it is in fact a technical definition. And that's the point.

@risibledog yes. That is a conspiracy theory.

Worse is that it's based on fundamental misunderstandings of how the US government is designed, of basic civics.

But yes, it's a conspiracy theory.

@KathyLK yes, because there's too much work to do at the Court for them to be distracted by sensational stories like this.

Alito has real business to take care of. He can't spend his days worrying about placating social media.

That's more of a legislative branch task, where representatives have to worry about addressing concerns of voters, no matter how off the wall.

@bespacific the problem is that regulation of the Supreme Court would violate the independence of the judiciary.

If our representatives feel that action needs to be taken, they have impeachment, but that's it.

This was the intentional design to prevent the other branches from interfering in the Court's proceedings.

@mgmarkel because it's not more powerful than the president.

By design and intention, the Supreme Court was not granted such authority. It was intentionally limited, as it would be incredibly foolish for unelected judges to have such levers of power.

So they don't. And it's a good thing that misrepresentation isn't spread farther through schools.

@indigo8s

@albnelson the answer is simple: the US is a diverse country, and not everyone shares your personal upbringing and experiences.

It's so important that people realize that diversity and take caution in projecting their own upbringings on others.

@witchescauldron I would push back on that saying it's not about balance but about different tools for addressing different, unrelated problems.

To go back to my analogy above, it's not that you need a balance between a hammer and a screwdriver, but that you need a hammer for nails, a screwdriver for screws, and the perspective of which is which.

@risibledog yes, a lot of people might say that, but they come across as promoting sensational stories instead of taking an honest and reasonable look at the state of the world.

And that's exactly what I'd criticize these reporters for promoting, the sensational instead of the responsible.

That you'd channel conspiracy theory only illustrates how problematic this sort of story is. We get nowhere with that nonsense.

@jchyip if nothing else, a sign of general distress simply represents the sense that so many of us have that things are pretty screwy in the country right now.

But news reports say there had been a lot of drama in the neighborhood, with different neighbors putting up their own signs.

There's no reason to jump to more sensational conclusions when the simpler explanations suffice.

@risibledog sounds like you're channeling that there are generally some screwy things in the world.

Well, what of the reported show that it was a sign of agreement with you? That the flag was upside down to express how messed up things were becoming?

I wouldn't say that's so fucked up.

@timo21 the thing to keep in mind is that there are technical differences between "people" and "people under the Constitution" just as the idea that corporations are people misunderstands the technical terminology.

It's important to recognize when a term being used is technical or common.

@breedlov if you've listened to Republicans over years, as their stances adapted, it's not so much hypocrisy as a recognition that the rules aren't what they'd prefer, but they have to work with the system as it is, especially if they ever want to change the rules to crack down on ballot harvesting.

It's been a longrunning conversation between them, with nuances that might be missed to a person who hasn't kept track.