volkris @volkris@qoto.org
I think the most pressing and fundamental problem of the day is that people lack a practically effective means of sorting out questions of fact in the larger world. We can hardly begin to discuss ways of addressing reality if we can't agree what reality even is, after all.
The institutions that have served this role in the past have dropped the ball, so the next best solution is talking to each other, particularly to those who disagree, to sort out conflicting claims.
Unfortunately, far too many actively oppose this, leaving all opposing claims untested. It's very regressive.
So that's my hobby, striving to understanding the arguments of all sides at least because it's interesting to see how mythologies are formed but also because maybe through that process we can all have our beliefs tested.
But if nothing else, social media platforms like this are chances to vent frustrations that on so many issues both sides are obviously wrong ;)
Joined Dec 2022
If you don't think people feuded then you weren't paying attention.
Yeah, there's been a lot of feuding over the last years or decades. There's no reason to hide the head in the sand about that. We should call out the folks that set things up for this all too foreseeable situation.
Heck, I personally spent years saying if we don't change course this is going to happen. So we didn't change course. And this happened.
Yes, they feuded. We should hold them accountable for contributing to this mess.
@derickr The thing that people really need to realize is that this isn't just Trump, this is a general mood in the country that he is representing.
If we just focus on Trump we end up ignoring the much more important issue that a lot of people in the country want it this way.
@neuSoM The stories about the US attacking science have been greatly overstated.
In fact the change in administration has really moved away from some micromanagement that was holding science back before, allowing science to proceed!
It just doesn't make sensational headlines to say things are going better now.
@ZzyzxProton it sounds like you are confusing opinion with fact here.
They are very different.
If you think I'm factually wrong that's fine. That would be a fact, as a matter of fact. Not opinion though.
Separating a fact from opinion is kind of a big deal.
@ZzyzxProton But it's not opinion. It's a matter of fact.
And so at this point we're not talking about a president firing a member sully for political reasons. Factually, that line doesn't apply.
And that's key to this whole situation.
Humphrey's is wrong because it violates the separation of power in the constitutional order, but even if it was right, factually that excerpt does not apply here.
@ZzyzxProton No this is false.
That's not how Humphrey's Executor ruled or how it applies to this current situation, whether it was a a solid ruling or not, which itself has been extremely questionable among experts for decades now.
So no, it's not that the court will be remembered for supporting a dictator. Hopefully it's that this moment will be remembered for the amount of misinformation and flat out propaganda that has been fed through social media like this.
No, that's not what's going on, and if you actually read rulings directly from the court, listen to the arguments directly, and keep up with decades of experts talking about these topics, you wouldn't fall for this kind of nonsensical posturing.
@Armadillosoft That's not the job of the Supreme Court.
It's not about standing up to this tyrant. It's just not the place you go to save the guy.
@maeve No, this article gets a lot of things exactly backwards.
Yes, DOGE has been funded by Congress for quite a while. The article is mistaken.
And while GAO might be a legislative branch organization, the others aren't, so it is emphasizing separation of powers, not erasing them, for this administration to be reclaiming agency (pun intended) over executive branch functions.
This is how separation of powers works, when we've had too many generations that have threatened that separation of powers. We're finally getting back to solidifying the constitutional order, reversing the trend through which it would be a dead letter.
So it's the exact opposite.
@Tharpa Oh it has been tested!
When people call Trump out for being a dumbass, when people ignore him, often enough his efforts fail because there's nothing to them. He's an empty suit.
From Ukrainian minerals deal through badgering of nominees through the Senate, we have seen him tested over and over, and since he's pretty insubstantial he just collapses.
@Black_Flag I mean, it's not banned though...
It sounds like you're looking for conspiracy theories when really this is just a couple dumb people doing dumb things.
What's behind it? Some dumb people who just want to project their own ideas of being nice on others. It's just how so many conservatives are.
Nothing more than that, and you need to know that to counter it.
@enoch_exe_inc I still don't see why it's relevant. This police force is not under the jurisdiction of that government.
It's not the highest government in the land with regard to this force. It has as much say in this as what a British person is going to eat for dinner.
NPR: "Under the Constitution, Congress has the power of the purse."
Siiiigh, that kind of line might be okay in informal banter, but for a legit news organization actually trying to explain legal matters to their readers, it's just not right.
It gets into the realm of reporters begging questions with hand waving behind vague idiom. They might as well just say everybody knows blah blah blah.
They should have instead informed readers with what the Constitution actually says and legal disputes through history if they wanted to get into it. But all that gets hidden behind this often misinterpreted throwaway line.
Do better, #journalism . Our society desperately needs it.
@enoch_exe_inc I honestly have no idea what your point is now.
Care to shed some light?
No. Because in this case there is no emperor.
It doesn't matter how high the mountains may or may not be, there is no emperor, it's just not relevant.
The locals run themselves. They can run themselves however they want to. Imagined emperors are distractions from holding local officials accountable for doing the right thing.
I mean yes. I'm right. That's how the US system is set up.
The president is not a king, we have various independent governments and branches of governments Trump is very far from being in charge of that police department. Very many layers of government away from it.
If you follow the story, the evidence that Trump showed has already been investigated and found to be misrepresented.
The evidence he showed was not of what he said it was.
@ericschutte no.
Trump isn't in charge of the Chicago police department, and too often folks are distracted by drama surrounding Trump so the ones actually responsible escape accountability.
By design the presidency is a relatively minor part of the US. Unfortunately, presidents get to serve as distractions while real perps get away with it.
@realcaseyrollins I've no idea what the Destiny drama is, but I can tell you how the term institutionalism is normally used:
It's not so much an ideology but an approach saying that when making decisions a person would focus on preserving a particular social structure even at the expense of outside considerations.
You can be supporting a conservative, or liberal, or libertarian, or Marxist institution and be institutionalist. It simply means making choices with longterm survival of the structure as priority.
@maxmustermann
The US accepted the plane, not Trump. And upon acceptance, the US said it would be going through the process of national security hardening.
There's no smoking gun here.
I think the most pressing and fundamental problem of the day is that people lack a practically effective means of sorting out questions of fact in the larger world. We can hardly begin to discuss ways of addressing reality if we can't agree what reality even is, after all.
The institutions that have served this role in the past have dropped the ball, so the next best solution is talking to each other, particularly to those who disagree, to sort out conflicting claims.
Unfortunately, far too many actively oppose this, leaving all opposing claims untested. It's very regressive.
So that's my hobby, striving to understanding the arguments of all sides at least because it's interesting to see how mythologies are formed but also because maybe through that process we can all have our beliefs tested.
But if nothing else, social media platforms like this are chances to vent frustrations that on so many issues both sides are obviously wrong ;)
Joined Dec 2022
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