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@Boeckli

Well keep in mind too that there are some issues with running your own instance, for example receiving the amount of content that you want to receive if you frequently use hashtags to find content.

There are ways to deal with that kind of thing, but just keep in mind that it's not a simple matter of having the same experience on your own instance.

@dalfen

That's not quite right. SS isn't a public debt, but rather it's just another government program, not legally particularly different from paving a road or buying a fighter jet.

The critical thing here is that for generations so many politicians have outright lied for the American public about how SS works, emphasizing trust funds that are little more than artificial accounting, and making people feel like they paid into a savings account when really they paid into just more tax revenue, by law.

So Social Security is just an ongoing program of the United States, and if you ever receive a annual statement from the government talking about what you can expect from SS you'll see that most of the time it tries to make this clear, that the program can change at any moment, again just like Congress can change spending on fighter jets.

Social Security payouts are based on available funding and congressional willingness to keep the program going, nothing more.

At this moment the last Congress left the US government short of funding, so all of the programs are at risk for budgetary tightening.

@emc2

Well you provided it yourself, I'd say, with the strawman you set up.

Again, where did you read huge profits? I certainly don't take that position that you seem to be arguing against for some reason.

I hope you stabbed that straw man to your own satisfaction, though.

@dave

The funny thing is, I don't know whether you are joking or not, but if you are joking, it's a pretty good joke 🙂

Actually, wait, there's some opportunity to make a joke about musk (as in cologne) here!

@lori yeah, and that's part of why I find @emc2's post to be a bit counterproductive.

This platform needs to recognize the realities of different types of users and different commitments that instance owners need to make to keep it going.

To say that profit is not welcome here, or doesn't exist here at all, is either to limit the value that the platform can provide to users or to just flat out deny reality. Neither one strikes me as particularly healthy.

It seems better to me to talk about how Yes, there is profit here, and yes, there is a reason that the platform might want new users, more users, because network effects tend to scale based on that.

If he doesn't want to have a certain type of user on the platform, that's a fair value to hold, but I guess it's just about being clear about that, so we can make an honest judgment of that position.

@glitch

Yeah I was also thinking that I don't know the current status of legalities surrounding end-to-end encryption, but I sure know governments around the world are trying to prevent it, so that is another issue in this whole topic.

@mawhrin @lauren

@emc2

It just sounds like now you're at the point of saying other than these profits there are no profits, and other than this power structure there isn't a power structure.

It's not a brilliant stance to take.

@emc2

Big profits? We're in the world did you read that?

And you don't think the enforcement of rules is a power structure?

@emc2

I mean I can say it again if you need me to: you are saying a thing doesn't exist even though I see it every single day on this platform, so clearly you are not having a broad enough experience to see that it happens.

You've really never seen instance operators put up the rules of their instance? I figure most instances have those right on their front page, and if I was at a computer I would go take a screenshot or something for you, but it seems so ubiquitous that I can't believe you can't just go look for yourself.

You think the good people behind indieweb.social are operating your instance because they think it's a bad thing without value to them? I really doubt that. I'm certain the guy operating my instance finds it to be a profitable pursuit. I guess I could ask him, but it seems obvious to me.

So it strikes me that if you haven't experienced these things then you are living kind of a sheltered life. But really I suspect that you have, but you're ignoring it for rhetorical effect.

Either way, it's a bit silly.

Maybe the hearing was a complete lie. Maybe all of the evidence is fabricated. Maybe this is nothing but a witch hunt.

But I really do think that there should at least be discussion about this congressional hearing on this platform, and even after specifically searching for discussion, I see literally two people talking about it.

Echo chambers are so dangerous to our society. It's really unfortunate that this platform seems to be embracing echo chamber effects, often very deliberately.

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@TwistedEagle

Yeah it's funny, I'm actually searching for any mention of it on this platform and coming up pretty empty.

It just goes to show what an echo chamber this platform is.

@mawhrin

Again, because encryption is so legitimately difficult to get right with so many pitfalls and so much room for honest error, I don't think anybody should start with management when deciding whether to trust an implementation.

That is so far removed from actually guaranteeing a secure system that it's really pretty beside the point.

It does make for good drama, but it has little to do with the end result.

@lauren

@emc2

Well every single person operating an instance, paying to keep it online, is doing so because they drive some value from doing so, some profit from doing so.

Nobody is going to harm themselves intentionally by spending resources on running an instance if they don't think it's for the best.

You've never heard of a volunteer worker being exploited or ordered around? Hell, I've heard a lot of volunteers complaining about exactly that sort of thing throughout my life.

It just really comes across like you need to broaden your experience of it, both on this platform and in the broader world.

@kkeller

Yes.

If you have a version that you are comfortable with, and you are uncomfortable with what might be in future versions, don't install the future versions.

You put your finger on it.

@swanksalot

I think this promotes a misunderstanding of how the Supreme Court works in the US system of government.

No, the Supreme Court wouldn't legalize weapons. The question before the court is whether some restrictions are legal, so the courts ruling would be about the enforceability of a regulation, not the legality of the weapon.

If a state is violating the law by bringing charges against individuals, that's what the Supreme Court would call out.

@emc2

Oh I see that here everyday, with instance owners enforcing their own rules and profiting off of running their instances.

I think you have a very narrow view of what's going on on this platform. That other stuff is definitely here.

@mawhrin

So one funny thing about this question is that is legitimately difficult to do correctly, with plenty of room for mistakes.

So part of the story is that even if you think
is a terribly dishonest person, while some other developer is a completely honest one, the trickiness of implementation means that you still can't trust the honest one. The intention becomes something of a side note because it's just that easy to screw it up.

So I don't care who implements it. I really don't go for that sort of drama. The product needs to sink or swim on its own, to be shown to be solid regardless of any kind of ad hominem attack on its author.

I don't care who writes it; I'm going to gauge my trust on what independent experts in the field say once they have analyzed it.

But again, the whole point of encryption is not having to trust the developer.

@lauren

@jackhutton

Well again, why?

Just saying we film other things is not a very compelling reason to do it.

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