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@jupiter_rowland

In a certain way I think you have it backwards.

ActivityPub provides this metadata that Mastodon is currently ignoring and its user experience.

So in a way it's not becoming incompatible but rather becoming more compatible, as it would be doing a better job of presenting the Fediverse stream information to its users.

But really, I don't think any of that matters, I just think Mastodon should have the better experience for its users regardless of anything else, so when you talk about being incompatible, I'm okay with that, so long as it is being the best for its users and let other apps catch up if they need to.

@textualdeviance

But that's not what happened in this case.

If you want to go into an analogy about taxes, in this case it would be a dispute over how much income is taxable under the law, and filing the appropriate forms to dispute the IRS claim that a whole bunch of your charitable contributions were actually taxable when by law they were not.

Again, there's a whole lot of begging of questions here.

Trump was advised to follow the law that allowed him to challenge election results, and he's being harangued for the fact that he did so.

Just saying that he was wrong doesn't change that he was abiding by the law that allowed him to challenge results to double check to affirm the rights of voters, to make sure that the voting system operated correctly.

@georgetakei

@textualdeviance

If they used a valid, if obscure, procedure, then it wasn't falsely declaring anything.

If that's the procedure, that's the procedure, no matter how obscure it may be, and we may very well need to elect better legislators who will fix the procedure, if it's a bad one.

These are the rules of the game. If the rules are bad, then fix them. But it's folly to fault people for using the rules of the game, no matter how bad they may be, to win the game.

We set this system up. Trump not only tried to use the system, but because he's an utter idiot he screwed up his own attempt to use the system. He lost. But now we're trying to yell at him for using the rules that we made instead of fixing the rules?

It's all so chaotic and backwards and undemocratic.

@georgetakei

@textualdeviance

And again, the process was to determine who are and aren't legit electors!

You're assuming the end of the process that is itself set up specifically to determine who is and isn't legit.

It's somewhat akin to charging a guy with criminal activity for having claimed that he was innocent before a trial.

We have a process for sorting disputes out, and the act of engaging that process is legally sanctioned. it's silly to skip to the end and proclaim that a person engaging that legal process is doing something illegal by engaging the law.
@georgetakei

@takeitev

Wow, so just some feedback, realize that the way you're posting, you seriously come across as having something of a zealot affection for electric vehicles for some reason.

I don't know what your intentions are, but it's offputting and likely running counter to what you want to accomplish.

@textualdeviance

But that stance begs the exact question that the objection process exists to adjudicate.

The objection process existed. Trump used it, poorly, because he is a moron.

But regardless, the objection process existed, and we'd be much better off to recognize that and call the guy out on having failed honestly instead of promoting his claims by revoking his access to the reasonable adjudication process.
@georgetakei

@takeitev

Believe it or not, sometimes cars malfunction, and the complexity of a modern system vs a dumb measurement of gas in the tank does introduce so many new failure modes.

So, I don't particularly care whether you doubt or not. No skin off my back either way.

It is funny, though, that you're telling people to stop believing nonsense in the media, and now it sounds like you're telling people to also ignore the nonsense that they experienced for themselves.

That's real crisis of faith territory at that point.

Yes, can break too.

@Threadbane

I love how you are still tearing down instead of building up, encouraging teachers to find other lines of work instead of teaching students when you don't personally approve of their preferences.

Again it comes back to, well it sucks for those students who lose out on education from those teachers, but screw 'em, yeah?

They aren't the group that you personally favor, so you're happy to let that group lose out on education.

@vy

@textualdeviance

So firstly, it's really relevant that you make this distinction since so many, including legal people involved in the case, muddle that distinction kind of going both ways with it.

But directly to the point, that was a legal strategy provided for by statute and by precedent.

Even if it was boneheaded, it was not fraudulent as it was a legal way of engaging with the laws that had been passed to govern the January election.

@georgetakei

@Craktok

Well it's definitely different.

It's kind of like the family member who really hopes you (I don't mean you obviously I just mean the general you) can get your act together someday, and really disagrees with who you are today, and really thinks you are on the wrong path, maybe even really hopes you find Jesus, but because you are family they will stand beside you and do their best to help you be a better person even as you are a clear and utter mess today.

So many Trump supporters flat out say the guy is a ridiculously flawed human and they really hope he improves at some point.

So it's tricky to describe them as blinkered. It's just a different weighing of how to engage with other humans.

@mastodonmigration @GottaLaff

@GBJames

Absolutely.
So there are downsides to all such mechanical contraptions, and we shouldn't pretend any are perfect, suggesting that it's merely nonsense in the media.

Although the simplicity of fuel over battery storage does turn up here with simpler measurement of remaining range and ease of emergency refueling.

But yep, no perfect option, just imperfect options each each with tradeoffs.

@takeitev

@manton

Absolutely, I don't expect anyone to understand ActivityPub :)

But I DO think UI designers, folks at the Mastodon level, need to make sure users know that anything they send over DM carries no privacy guarantee.

They do make some efforts in the interface to convey that, but I don't think they do enough, considering how often I interact with users who don't aren't aware of this factor.

@idoubtit

No, a TON of people are still using Twitter to connect.

In fact, I know people who have joined it recently.

If people really are so alienated from Twitter and are leaving, then the transition is already happening and there's no reason for government to put a finger on the scale by blocking their use of it.

No, the public still uses Twitter, even if a lot of people especially on this platform represent a subset of folks who don't.

@Threadbane

What about the students who would have been better served by those options, and the teachers would would have preferred to teach in those places?

Seems like a case of cutting off the nose to spite the face.

@vy

@takeitev

My personal experience with EVs involves being stranded in the middle of nowhere as charge ran out way, way before we got to the range we were supposed to get, without a charging station anywhere nearby.

And the roadside assistance that was supposed to arrive in 90 minutes took five hours to actually show up.

I'm glad you had problem free experiences, but there are definitely a lot of people out there who personally experienced huge problems.

@idoubtit

The problem is that having US governmental institutions leave disconnects them from the public that they're supposed to be responsive to, all the people who still use Twitter to support their window to the world.

It's one thing to encourage more communication through other platforms, but this would encourage less.

It's one of those cases of building up instead of tearing down.

@manton

I always grind the ax that I really want / users to be informed about how insecure this whole system is from its foundation.

DMs is a big element of that.

You mention messaging that isn't encrypted, but in this system the security goes the other way: not only is it unencrypted but it's basically just another public post with the suggested audience of a single person.

I really hope users realize that DMs have zero guarantee of privacy.

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