volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@gray because they're irrationally obsessed with hating it.

@kitoconnell someday somebody's going to mention to such activists that these disruptions are counterproductive, only raising public ire against their cause.

@kyozou You're not.

@timokl

Yes, it's like how different cell phone makers can add different features to their own phones for their customers. Each instance administrator can, if he wants to, modify the version of Mastodon that he uses.

For example, the instance I'm on, qoto, has a bunch of modifications like a much increased character limit for posts and the quote post feature.

The developers of the software kept those features out, but an individual server operator can modify the official software as they wish.

But my focus is on how users are still at the mercy of the choices that different server operators make.

@mho

@JoeChip I think the stated motivations from the two sides justifies the distinction.

@tree keep in mind that under Obama there were a lot of unilateral targeted killings of even US citizens, reported in the major papers, but nobody seemed to care.

So there's nothing surprising here.

I would be calling for impeachment over such stuff, but apparently we're okay with it.

@wjmaggos OF COURSE taxing that off reduces incentives!

Would you risk the same amount on an investment knowing that if the investment pays off you won't get as much return?

@freemo

@wjmaggos I know @freemo is addressing the path forward, but I still want to focus on the path backwards.

How did the gazillionaire get that money?

Every rich person became rich because they provided value to other people who themselves judged that whatever the person was doing was of such tremendous value that they were willing to give up their own money in exchange for that value.

Whether you agree with them is immaterial.

The money doesn't grow on trees. The rich person provided value to society sufficient to obtain that status.

It's like complaining that a doctor got a large paycheck. Well, the paycheck was a result of the doctor providing medical care. If you just look at the paycheck while ignoring the value provided that led to the paycheck you aren't seeing the full picture.

Gazillionaires are nothing to be avoided because becoming a gazillionaire is necessarily the result of providing more than a gazillion worth of value to others.

That there are gazillionaires is a positive sign of people working for others.

@edwardchampion@universeodon.com ha, Yeah and my just personal preference is, I hate all of that tinkly stuff 🙂

My personal preference is to have dry, university lecture style content. Like, if you mention a train, you don't have to put a train horn in there, I know what a train is!

All the sound effects and fancy editing really take me out of the raw information that I want to learn from the production.

Anyway, that's just my personal gripe 🙂

More substantially, style aside, I just don't think they do good work, I think they do a mediocre job and then dress their work up with all of the silly sound effects.

I think that serial had potential but they sort of didn't do as much with it as they could have, they were aiming for an accessible, popular product, and that held them back.

@timokl

So there are two different issues that you are bringing up.

One issue is with the platform, the behind the scenes communication protocol. That's not something Mastodon controls in the same way that your cell phone doesn't control the communications network that it operates over.

You mentioned a decentralized structure, but that's not quite right. It's more that this behind the scenes system REcentralized around many different central instances (the servers are called instances here) where all of the users on one particular instance are reliant on the functioning of that instance.

So I would emphasize that it is federated, not decentralized. It's still centralized, just among many different central instances that federate and cooperate among each other.

My user experience and yours will be shaped by the policies of the instance administrators that is beyond our control.

The second issue is with Mastodon itself. Like I said, Mastodon is like the cell phone that we use to interact with the system.

Mastodon has long had a culture where the developers behind it think they know what's best for you, so they intentionally keep features away from you, for example, and don't let you choose for yourself whether you want to use those features.

It would be like your cell phone manufacturer deciding that Bluetooth is bad and so they publicly declared that you can't have Bluetooth because it's bad for you.

I would rather put users at the center in both contexts. I would rather the power go to users instead of instance administrators, and I would rather users choose what features they want to use and not leave that to the Mastodon developers.

I hope this makes sense.

Two different levels of problem but really it's the same philosophical choice being made.

@mho

@CisopSixpence he doesn't have control over us.

But for some reason we keep promoting and building up these mythologies around the guy.

In reality he's just not that important, but he is a troll, so he really enjoys all the attention people voluntarily give him.

Let's ignore him so he goes away.

@edwardchampion@universeodon.com frankly, I've never figured out why anybody thinks NYT/Serial/This American Life is particularly good journalism, investigative or otherwise.

I know they put splashy editing and fancy sounds to dress up their productions, but on the substance, they're pretty much crap.

@qkslvrwolf hey, this is a problem that solves itself.

Give each person a dish, and if they want it clean they'll clean it themselves!

@wjmaggos you are literally talking about destroying wealth generators by taking their resources away.

You seem so obsessed with money that you can't look beyond it to see the transactions that got them there.

Follow the money...back.

@freemo

@freemo

Sure, but my point here is that even if we accept the argument, it still doesn't really work.

I think that in reality people do have some skill that choosing the better risks to take. But even if we set that aside and we accept the argument that people like @wjmaggos seem to be making, even if it is pure chance with no skill at all, even in that unrealistic case their argument still falls flat.

Even if there is zero skill to choosing the flip of the coin that might or might not benefit humanity, it's still a good thing that these people with resources take the risk and risk their resources for the sake of the coin coming up heads and benefiting us all.

The billionaire didn't work harder than the millionaire and it was all luck? Fine! Either way, their luck benefited us all. Even if you want to ignore the reality that there was work involved.

@rameshgupta I love how you ignored everything in my post just to repeat your same disputed claim.

@TruthSandwich@toad.social

@timo21

Are you under the impression that Texas doesn't outlaw littering like that?

@JamesK

@wjmaggos

I would just point out that luck counts in favor of the system, not against it.

Yes, people risk their capital against luck. They bet on questionable investments. Is this R&D on solar cells going to pay off? Are we going to be able to build this wind farm? Well, we put our cash on the line and we hope fortune favors us.

Yes, a lot of that does come down to luck, but we want people to be betting on these efforts that end up helping humanity.

Just because there's luck involved doesn't mean the effort isn't worthwhile. It's even more reason that we should applaud the people who put their own money toward these risky efforts.

The billionaire got lucky. That just means he risked his resources on an effort that ended up succeeding and helping others.

@freemo