volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@obeto@mas.to but you're still up against democracy.

You and I might both hate the way that most people think, but we can't escape that if we are to live in a democratic representative government.

I would say that you do care an iota for what the other people do because they vote and as a democracy we count those votes.

You can say fuck them in their feelings, but the problem is that If we are going to be a democracy they and their feelings do contribute to the future of our governance structure.

You can't just discount that.

Again, I repeat, if we are going to be a democracy.

It's the age old issue that the problem with giving people a say in their government is the people.

@CardboardRobot Oh gosh, that report had so many red flags with the way it chopped up quotations.

I really want to see some direct sourcing, and it was a really big red flag that I didn't see any link from that website to the primary source.

I'm not saying the website was wrong or the reporting was wrong. I'm saying there were some big red flags to doubt it though as I didn't see any links where I could verify what it was claiming.

To be clear I think that Desantis is that the point of his campaign where he would absolutely start saying crazy things trying to get attention, so I wouldn't be surprised, I just want to go to the source to verify what he actually said.

@CardboardRobot no not disputing, but the first mainly, since that was such a striking accusation

@katchwreck Well that's not true.

A whole lot of science funding is not only separate from military spending but actually looking for military spending but not getting it.

@CardboardRobot citation?

@ArtSmart that is an interesting point!

@ArtSmart no, The matter of law being cited to keep Trump off the ballot has nothing to do with the wording of the oath.

@obeto@mas.to Oh I hear so many mainstream conservatives all getting behind exactly that feeling literally every single day.

Me I don't care. I would not vote for Trump, it's none of my business.

But SO MANY Republicans and conservatives are vocally shouting that they would, and they are answering posters questions saying they would, and that is problematic.

Conway is totally in the tank for Trump. You can assume that everything she says in every interview is about leveraging the data she has to try to pump him up even farther.

The problem is, she's probably right.

@obeto@mas.to Well I think the question is whether you want to make any progress or not.

I am not kidding you. That argument doesn't resonate with an awful lot of people.

So if you just want to yell into the wind, fine! Hey that's what I do here on social media! If that's your goal, go for it!

However, if you actually want to make a difference then you need to recognize that that argument does not resonate with so many Americans.

I'm not telling you what to do or what not to do. You do what you want to do. But if you want to actually make a difference then you need to recognize what you're up against.

And it has nothing to do with the truth. It's all about what propaganda does and does not work.

@LisaKalayji@sfba.social I mean what's the alternative?

If you're not producing, if you're not helping out your fellow human, what would you prefer people to be doing?

@realcaseyrollins absolutely!

And it's really interesting, because you can look at how things like geometric balance influence human perception.

Fashion theory is absolutely a thing and academically it says a lot about how our brains are wired meanwhile practically it can give us a lot of hints as to how we might want to dress if we want to have certain impacts on others.

@obeto@mas.to The thing is, this criticism resonates with an awful lot of American voters.

Just saying whatever instead of countering it kind of lets it fester.

And promoting the quotation kind of spreads it.

@micchiato@mastodon.social you got it

@vrruiz if he can't believe it's accidental then he's a fool.

Of course it can be accidental. It's, as he says, thematic, so it's not surprising at all that such language would be used against each other.

It's just really silly to make this kind of complaint.

@micchiato@mastodon.social wow if that's what you've watched it sounds like you tuned into some propaganda.

It's just not a realistic portrait of what's been going on in the real world.

@RM_Transit Oh I do, and I know a lot of other people who do as well.

Like I said, it is a personal subjective valuation.

But at the least when you talk about government subsidies you're talking about taking money from people and redirecting society's resources in that direction. So it is absolutely a cost.

The problem is that some people are willing to pay the price and others aren't, so that's why we have political systems to decide what to do.

@RM_Transit but at the same time the costs of charging infrastructure are also a huge issue, as is the cost of losing ICE vehicles that a lot of people really prefer.

So again it becomes a subjective valuation situation.

@RM_Transit meh, that becomes a matter of subjective valuation.

A whole lot of people don't value such a change so it wouldn't represent a public benefit, merely a corporate subsidy.

@RM_Transit Well that's fair enough if that's your complaint.

I thought maybe you were talking about stuff like how long it takes or how expensive it is.

But yeah if more charging stations are what you need, fair enough!

Although I do think that it's a task for the companies that make money off of the stations, not the government.

@RM_Transit Well it's that EV charging is limited by things like the speed at which energy can be conducted through the charging cables and deposited into batteries.

And just spending more money doesn't change that limitation.

The metal in the charging cables can only conduct so much power, and the chemicals in the batteries can only absorb so much power per minute no matter how much money a person might try to spend on them.

So what it has to do with what you said was that it's not a matter of money or investment. There are real physical limitations that make EV charging a hassle, that can't be overcome.