volkris @volkris@qoto.org
I think the most pressing and fundamental problem of the day is that people lack a practically effective means of sorting out questions of fact in the larger world. We can hardly begin to discuss ways of addressing reality if we can't agree what reality even is, after all.
The institutions that have served this role in the past have dropped the ball, so the next best solution is talking to each other, particularly to those who disagree, to sort out conflicting claims.
Unfortunately, far too many actively oppose this, leaving all opposing claims untested. It's very regressive.
So that's my hobby, striving to understanding the arguments of all sides at least because it's interesting to see how mythologies are formed but also because maybe through that process we can all have our beliefs tested.
But if nothing else, social media platforms like this are chances to vent frustrations that on so many issues both sides are obviously wrong ;)
Joined Dec 2022
@HeavenlyPossum Well that's not true at all.
It's the exact opposite.
Ownership is a right not to be interfered with. Ownership only comes up when somebody is trying to interfere with your dictate over some property. You're not interfering with them, they are interfering with you.
That is the fundamental aspect of ownership.
@RD4Anarchy by definition it is.
@slowenough @HeavenlyPossum @dagb @True_Heresy @CheapPontoon
Sounds like it's a semantic thing. An issue of definition.
What is ownership? I would say that ownership is defined as the ability to direct a resource. If you own an apple, that means that you can dictate whether that apple goes into apple cider or an apple pie. That is the definition of ownership that I think is the common understanding.
And so the definition of management has a strong overlap with it. The only difference might come down to the authority being delegated. Technically you might not be the owner but practically the owner has granted you effective ownership.
So anyway, sounds like you're getting lost in definition.
@moira The key is, presidents simply don't have authority to do a lot of this stuff.
And in the examples where they do have such authority we need to learn the lesson of, we really need to push legislatures to take that authority away.
It was always a mistake to give presidents too much authority, and neither Trump nor Harris can do a lot of the things that they are promising.
But yeah, let's keep firmly in mind that this is why we don't give presidents that kind of authority, and we need to not give them more authority, and we need to take it back.
@HeavenlyPossum thinking your mind of anything you consider productive.
Chances are it involved some resource that somebody owned.
YES ownership is productive. Ownership directs resources toward productive uses where otherwise they would be lost in the chaos of uncertainty as to where they would go.
It's just economically illiterate to say that ownership is not productive.
@drrjv muskbach Twitter because he's a troll. He bought it as an act of trolling everybody. He wanted to get attention, and the more you bring him up, the more he proves successful in that.
He thinks that's funny. That's how trolls work.
@HeavenlyPossum so if you think about it none of that has anything to do with anything I said.
@True_Heresy Hi. Welcome to reality.
@PFox so here's the thing, news flash, Trump says a lot of things that aren't true.
@jensorensen The ACA is not on the ballot this election, for better or worse.
Yes, there has been misinformation about this to scare people. We need to push back against that misinformation.
Whoever told you this was fear-mongering and manipulating you, and you should probably stop listening to them.
@Infrogmation you notice how that quote doesn't logically imply the headline?
No, that quote doesn't admit that. It's a straw man argument that requires a logical leap to get to a sensationalized headline.
@True_Heresy you are literally describing Musk making things.
What you describe is Musk making the environments that support those engineers. That's not nothing! Without workshops and funding and management the best engineers in the world are completely wasted.
It sounds like you really don't appreciate how the real world works when it comes to going from engineering talent to actual results.
The most capable machinist ever to have lived will get nothing done if he doesn't have tooling to operate. And that's what capitalism is all about, investing the resources to get the machinist what he needs.
@HeavenlyPossum I mean, the factual record shows that he did.
Imagine knowing history.
@True_Heresy I mean the history shows that's factually incorrect. @HeavenlyPossum @CheapPontoon @dagb
#Poll #USPol
@arth that has nothing to do with the election. If his passport needs to be confiscated but it hasn't been, well that's a failure for the Biden Harris administration.
If they suck so badly that they can't trap Trump, well what good are they.
@manton seriously? For the last week for campaign has been in freefall.
@anubis2814 ... The border conditions were mandated by legal agreements that predated Trump, they were Obama policies and the facilities were set up by Obama, and Biden has continued them.
This story just makes no sense. It's not how the US government operates, and it's not how recent history has gone.
Yeah, Trump is awful, he's a loser, but this kind of argument isn't convincing to anybody who knows what has happened in the last couple of decades.
Harris has openly promised to defy the democratic process, so when you talk about fascism, this story gets it wrong. Whoever told you this stuff was lying to you.
@drrjv firstly, it's not going to happen. Trump doesn't have the authority or the intelligence to gain the authority to make such a thing happen. Presidents just can't operate that way.
But more importantly, what Musk is pointing out is that the math just doesn't add up. The inevitability is mathematical, there's really no way around it.
It's as reprehensible as suggesting that somebody needs to take appropriate medications to address a health problem. Yeah, the meds might not be pleasant, but the alternative is even worse.
The math for the US government is pretty bad. Something will break. There's no option for just continuing like this.
So what do we do? Well we'll do nothing until it collapses on its own. Because without political will we will run out of runway.
@mhjohnson I actually had similar problems happen to me personally
I think the most pressing and fundamental problem of the day is that people lack a practically effective means of sorting out questions of fact in the larger world. We can hardly begin to discuss ways of addressing reality if we can't agree what reality even is, after all.
The institutions that have served this role in the past have dropped the ball, so the next best solution is talking to each other, particularly to those who disagree, to sort out conflicting claims.
Unfortunately, far too many actively oppose this, leaving all opposing claims untested. It's very regressive.
So that's my hobby, striving to understanding the arguments of all sides at least because it's interesting to see how mythologies are formed but also because maybe through that process we can all have our beliefs tested.
But if nothing else, social media platforms like this are chances to vent frustrations that on so many issues both sides are obviously wrong ;)
Joined Dec 2022
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