volkris @volkris@qoto.org
Since I guess everything is political these days, I'll identify as extremely liberal but without a home in US politics.
Mainly, there's so much misinformation out there that people in society have trouble even organizing into coherent political groupings. So I'd rather not talk about politics but instead focus on information and education. Nothing else matters until the bedrock of fact is buttressed.
But... people are always going to be wrong on the internet, as the saying goes.
So: Old man yells at clouds is a famous joke from The Simpsons, and it probably fairly describes what we do when venting on social media.
Just speaking into the void, since I figure it's an exercise in futility to conduct discussions on these platforms.
Joined Dec 2022
First of all, no, it's not factually true that the guy made millions by denying healthcare to people. That's not how the world works, and the people spreading that lie are really doing a disservice to society.
Secondly, yeah I think you're pretty much proving the point. You've seen that much unity? You haven't seen all the disunity, all the people pointing out what a dangerous and antisocial reaction it is? Well, sounds like you're in an echo chamber. Exactly as was pointed out.
It's really disturbing that people like you are so bloodthirsty, even more disturbing that you are so uninformed that you're willing to support murder in response to an obviously false allegation.
Sure would be nice if you would step out of your echo chamber long enough to realize that you're being sold some really dangerous propaganda here.
@hans I mean, Cory Doctorow very likely has different purposes in mind than we do.
Unfit for his purpose, maybe, but that doesn't say anything about ours.
@9tr6gyp3 kind of obvious that a case of domestic terrorism might have a higher priority some misconduct backlog.
@spujb Well it does provide something extra, it lays out specifics as to why the content is being flagged.
@byteseu I mean, social security is coming for social security.
By law social security has to change. That's how the law is written. Benefits will be restrained because as the law is the math doesn't work out and so as per law social security will change.
It has absolutely nothing to do with Elon and Vivek. It's just the law in the book as it is coupled with matt.
@eriner I think I'm being very clear, I'm not sure what your confusion is. I don't know how to put it any more simply.
You're supporting letting murderers off the hook, okay, I'm just wondering how you would feel if the murderers were coming after you.
Still okay with that?
If you are, great! I'm just asking if you're okay with that.
If people are deciding to murder you, literally not figuratively or anything like that, knowing that they would be let off the hook through jury nullification, that's all right in your book? Or would you have a problem with that?
I guess the simple question is, would you be equally okay with excusing murder if you were the target?
@eriner I think I'm being very clear, I'm not sure what your confusion is. I don't know how to put it any more simply.
You're supporting letting murderers off the hook, okay, I'm just wondering how you would feel if the murderers were coming after you.
Still okay with that?
If you are, great! I'm just asking if you're okay with that.
If people are deciding to murder you, literally not figuratively or anything like that, knowing that they would be let off the hook through jury nullification, that's all right in your book? Or would you have a problem with that?
I guess the simple question is, would you be equally okay with excusing murder if you were the target?
@HootinNHollerin Nice ad hominem there.
@eriner okay, but I repeat, what might happen if the people decide that you're on the wrong side of justice?
The deflection doesn't absolve you from thinking about that.
What if they decide that you are up for murder? You okay with that?
I really don't care about oligarchs. I'm just suggesting that maybe you think about yourself and what might happen when you face the guillotine.
Sounds like it's more that NPR had some coverage that confirmed your bias. It told you what you wanted to hear.
In general on topics like this NPR has extremely slanted coverage that often enough even misrepresents the positive side not to mention failing to cover the negative side.
NPR reporting has gone so downhill in the last decade or so. And we really need to call them out on that so that they hopefully improve, not just let it slide when it happens to be convenient for our opinions.
@eriner uh huh.
Consider what might happen if "the people" decide that you're on the wrong side of justice.
Careful with how you set your interests.
@ncoca it's like, if this apple was an orange, you can bet it would taste a lot different!
The two situations you describe aren't comparable. The targeted killing of a high profile individual carries suggestions of terrorism that just aren't so present in the other case.
They are very different in ways that have nothing to do with lives mattering more. It has to do with vastly different offenses against society.
@ncoca it's like, if this apple was an orange, you can bet it would taste a lot different!
The two situations you describe aren't comparable. The targeted killing of a high profile individual carries suggestions of terrorism that just aren't so present in the other case.
They are very different in ways that have nothing to do with lives mattering more. It has to do with vastly different offenses against society.
@Phil Well, key to this is whether an offense is the action or the crime.
If I break a federal law but I'm not charged, did I or did I not commit an offense against the United States?
Another issue with your post is, do you mean preemptive to the action or preemptive to charging/conviction? I'm not sure which you were saying, and it makes a difference.
@Athavariel but that's not right, and to me it's really important to be clear about this to #Fediverse users:
#Mastodon and the other ActivityPub clients do almost nothing to keep your data out of the hands of others like #Meta. It's a broadcast platform leaving the door wide open for actors like Meta to vacuum it all up for their own uses.
Anyone posting their content here needs to be aware of how public it all is, how uncontrolled the access to the content really is.
But this is why such questions are to be hashed out in legislative branches, not judicial branches. The courts merely deferred to the democratic process in its reasonable finding that the two are different, and different in ways that the state has substantial interest in recognizing.
So, make sure your representatives are doing what you want them to do. All too often people keep voting for exactly the reps that are voting against their wants while distracted by the courts like this.
@Phil do you have a citation to the finding?
We should be able to pull up the opinion and see what they based it on.
@realcaseyrollins
@PeterSoukup no, that's not how the process works.
Due process often involves review after the trial, which is what's going on now.
Until the completion of his due process rights he's not a convicted felon. He's just someone a jury in a contested trial has voted to find guilty.
Our legal system has other protections in place before conviction, though. The jury is just one part of the process.
@PeterSoukup correction: not convicted felon.
Biden's people didn't manage to get the conviction entered in a sentencing hearing as they dropped the ball.
Since I guess everything is political these days, I'll identify as extremely liberal but without a home in US politics.
Mainly, there's so much misinformation out there that people in society have trouble even organizing into coherent political groupings. So I'd rather not talk about politics but instead focus on information and education. Nothing else matters until the bedrock of fact is buttressed.
But... people are always going to be wrong on the internet, as the saying goes.
So: Old man yells at clouds is a famous joke from The Simpsons, and it probably fairly describes what we do when venting on social media.
Just speaking into the void, since I figure it's an exercise in futility to conduct discussions on these platforms.
Joined Dec 2022
