volkris @volkris@qoto.org
I think the most pressing and fundamental problem of the day is that people lack a practically effective means of sorting out questions of fact in the larger world. We can hardly begin to discuss ways of addressing reality if we can't agree what reality even is, after all.
The institutions that have served this role in the past have dropped the ball, so the next best solution is talking to each other, particularly to those who disagree, to sort out conflicting claims.
Unfortunately, far too many actively oppose this, leaving all opposing claims untested. It's very regressive.
So that's my hobby, striving to understanding the arguments of all sides at least because it's interesting to see how mythologies are formed but also because maybe through that process we can all have our beliefs tested.
But if nothing else, social media platforms like this are chances to vent frustrations that on so many issues both sides are obviously wrong ;)
Joined Dec 2022
@voorstad reactions like this seem to miss the most core part of the story: the people.
The people are unsatisfied with their governments. Their governments should do better.
Big Tech, or whatever conspiracy one would like to trot out, wouldn't have an opportunity to wade in if the people were happy with how governments were governing.
@AliceStollmeyer
@joshisanonymous I wouldn't put it that way.
It's not so much that these are separate flavors but rather they are different interfaces to the same system.
Mastodon and PeerTube don't exist in separate bubbles. They are different UIs viewing the same fediverse universe through different lenses.
@wjmaggos but why?
There's no sense forking Mastodon to fix it when BlueSky is already there and functioning.
@futurebird it's not about wrong, but about a different approach.
Fediverse isn't so much decentralized as it's REcentralized around instances, and that can be seen as problematic. We see every day users complaining about butting heads with instance owners who are empowered by this architecture.
Tweaks to the UI can't change that.
Other platforms didn't go that direction and are more decentralized, putting more power in the hands of the end users.
Free Our Feeds seems to be really focused on getting away from centralization, so the centralization around instances wouldn't be the approach they'd want to follow.
@HarriettMB no it wouldn't.
I assure you there was contraception and immunization before the ACA.
@wjmaggos based on what do you say ATProto is inherently centralized?
It seems to me to be the exact opposite, with a ton of functionality specifically to avoid all sources of centralization.
Well, if you knew more about the underlying technologies it might be more understandable that BlueSky was technologically more effective in reaching their goals than Fediverse is.
Fediverse has some real issues with it, some design choices that were seriously questionable.
You can't just donate to Fediverse instead because those design choices are so firmly in place here that they can't really be changed without making a whole new system.
@wjmaggos the two aren't equivalent, though.
#Bluesky / #ATProto and #ActivityPub / #Fediverse are based on fundamentally different designs particularly with regard to the role of instances, not to even mention details of protocol signaling.
It's not the case that they could simply invest here rather than there. This place has its own issues that arguably make Bluesky the more attractive path to develop.
Just because people have dedicated their lives to one particular path doesn't mean it was the right path to take.
volkris
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@RememberUsAlways aaaah, I see.
Elsewhere I mostly see Democrats crying about the courts not stepping in, so that's why I interpreted it that way.
But yeah, both sides are barking up the wrong tree there.
I don't know why you went on at length about the courts in response to my pointing out that the courts aren't relevant to this in the US system.
@AkaSci well, that's a hateful and divisive comment...
@friendly BlueSky and ActivityPub operate in fundamentally different ways.
Each has pros and cons, but considering the motivations of this project, the more decentralized structure of BlueSky is probably the better choice for their effort.
@fell I imagine that's right, interface will simply ignore the comments even as they're posted. It's largely a UI tweak.
And yep, it's important that users realize how these privacy related features actually work, as there are a lot of users out there not realizing how insecure this platform is.
@CharlieMcHenry anyone who finds this unexpected or surprising has been getting information from misleading sources.
This was entirely predictable and consistent with current events.
The delay to sentencing was always a longshot. The justices have been consistently skeptical of such arguments.
@RememberUsAlways Well right, because it's not the role of the SCOTUS to address that in the US system.
Folks worried about this should have elected different representatives to Congress. THAT's where this could have been addressed properly.
@eddeeMN the problem is that creating such a third platform undermines the need for both of those to reach critical mass.
It sort of splits the vote, to use an analogy.
Bluesky and Fediverse need to learn from each other and improve themselves, taking the best ideas from each other.
@openrightsgroup @JamesBaker @jim
I think the most pressing and fundamental problem of the day is that people lack a practically effective means of sorting out questions of fact in the larger world. We can hardly begin to discuss ways of addressing reality if we can't agree what reality even is, after all.
The institutions that have served this role in the past have dropped the ball, so the next best solution is talking to each other, particularly to those who disagree, to sort out conflicting claims.
Unfortunately, far too many actively oppose this, leaving all opposing claims untested. It's very regressive.
So that's my hobby, striving to understanding the arguments of all sides at least because it's interesting to see how mythologies are formed but also because maybe through that process we can all have our beliefs tested.
But if nothing else, social media platforms like this are chances to vent frustrations that on so many issues both sides are obviously wrong ;)
Joined Dec 2022
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