volkris @volkris@qoto.org

@Klang

But we don't have to wonder. We've watched Trump pivot on issues and seen his champions go right along with him, as if he's always had those opinions and he was always right.

YES Trump does oppose himself. He's really inconsistent, sometimes switching opinions within a single interview.

@realcaseyrollins

@nutomic Yes, exactly.

I think this is a case of needing to maintain the mindset of working WITH the technology instead of against it: some ideas about mod functions just aren't really compatible with the underlying infrastructure.

IMO, ActivityPub often lends itself constructively to separating presentation from processing.

Someone else mentioned modding through metadata, and that seems reasonable. You don't delete or edit posts as that runs up against reliance on unreliable federation, but flagging posts allows user interfaces to Do The Right Thing (for the end user) based on the metadata.

This is fundamentally a broadcast platform. There is no end-to-end moderation functionality here, so don't try. Instead, broadcast hints that end user clients can use to do right for the end user.

@Emperor

@Kichae

Don't overlook the perspective that many of us simply value seeing what the original author put out there.

It's not free speech on someone else's dime; it's not a claim of entitlement. Heck, a lot of people don't even care to speak, as they're looking for the experience of others' work, that substantial moderation interferes with.

This isn't point isn't about entitlement to speech. This is about the rules that shape the shared experience.

@flamingos

@stevevladeck.bsky.social I don't think such statistics are very meaningful even as folks on both sides of issues try to leverage them.

For example, one side will say Trump is making all of these appeals while the other side says courts are causing Trump to make these appeals.

Yeah, thinks are different now. That's really all that can be said, but people project onto it what the differences are.

@haverholm No you have it backwards.

This proves that the remote server does not decide whether you are allowed to do so.

Yes, this is a questionable decision of the engineering that underlies the Fediverse. This isn't a problem of Pixelated: If you don't like this behavior, then blame the authors of ActivityPub and maybe find a different platform that behaves the way you would prefer.

This is just how this platform was designed to operate, for better or worse. I think for worse, but here we are.

@Lost_My_Mind I do not.

@jbcrawford to add to that, I have interacted with so many people who did not understand the privacy implications.

So whatever steps the mastodon interface is taking, it's proven to be not enough in the real world.

This is a drum I beat every time I can, and people are being misled by it on this platform.

@moira

It's like, you know who this is not going to fuck? Elon Musk. He'll be fine.

You know who this is going to fuck? A whole lot of workers who need the job, everyday customers, the environment that needs electric vehicles, and on and on.

Anyone engaging in this stuff is just plain stupid.

@maccruiskeen Well think of it this way: have you ever had a family member, maybe an older one, who thinks they know what's good for you better than you do? Who has inappropriately tried insert themselves into your business with the best of intention even if they're, well, full of it, and it's not appreciated?

Yes, a couple of these people are sociopathic fucks. I actually agree with that.

But I think a lot of them are just well-meaning but really really stupid, and really really out of touch, and really disconnected from reality.

I think it's a really common experience when somebody with best of intentions tries to tell you what to do with your own life because they think they know better, even though they're completely off base. I think that explains a whole lot of what we're seeing out of the folks in charge right now.

@fj

@walterolson.bsky.social frankly, if you didn't imagine he would try, you haven't been paying attention 🙂

He has a long history of just throwing things at the wall to see what would stick.

No, he doesn't have the authority to do it. No, that won't stop him from trying. And I honestly don't think he even knows that he doesn't have the authority. Or cares.

@apas_csc I don't know if you spend a lot of time around folks who buy into the philosophy of hate the sin but love the sinner, but that's a very common way of talking.

This administration seems to come from a culture that leans into that sort of rhetoric.

I emphasize the thing I emphasize a lot: Trump is an absolutely dreadful communicator, and even his supporters occasionally accidentally admit that. This whole administration is shaped by talking in ways that are are ineffectual both in terms of communication and policy making. It's one of the most regressive parts of having this guy in office.

But, It's one of those know thy enemies things where you have to understand what they're saying if you want to counter them and defang the offensive things they do on substance.

Otherwise, you end up attacking the red towel instead of the Matador, and it just plays into their game.

I'm not even sure this leak was an accident because so far what I see is a lot of people reacting to it in ways that benefit them.

@fj

@maccruiskeen to be clear, I'm not saying I agree with it.

Keep in mind that the culture these guys are coming from is shallow and thinks it knows better what everybody should be doing, and when it can it sees a moral Duty to impose that better option on others.

So it's not a weird idea of support. It's actually a very common idea, too common in my opinion, thinking they can help people by telling them what they should be doing.

This is just one example of it. There are so many, but maybe it's something to keep in mind when trying to understand what this administration is doing.

@fj

@irelephant

Yeah, and that's not hatred. In context of support provided by US policy over the course of administrations that even has more to say about the US than about Europe.

This administration has been describing previous US policy as giving too much, so this is a continuation of complaining about the direction of US policy over administrations, and a pivot based on themes of the campaign that got them elected.

Not about Europe, about the US.

@fj

@maccruiskeen ha, I'm not sure you can see where he stands in regard to Europe 🙂

Because I read that exchange in the complete opposite way, talking about the outlines of strategic partnership and how the different groups interact, which has absolutely absolutely nothing to do with hating or not hating Europe.

At worst it's neutrality when setting the terms for partnership. But I think it's more about supporting Europe to follow a path that he thinks would be better for everybody, Europe included, promoting European success as he sees it.

So no, not hatred at all. Support if anything.

Maybe it takes more understanding of the context in which these statements are made, though. It's just like how many misinterpreted Trump's stance on NATO during his first term.

@fj

@fj sharing your hate?

Did you read the release? There wasn't hate of Europeans. There was only discussion of the terms of partnership and normal concerns of political framing.

@realcaseyrollins email is fundamentally not built to be secure, so no, even if there was patched on encryption it would have been at best an order of magnitude less secure.

@walterolson.bsky.social right, this is just another example of Trump being personally disconnected from the rest of his branch, as he's more interested in listening to and repeating the ramblings of conservative talk show hosts than listening to his officials.

It's a constant feature of this administration.

Trump constantly repeats the likes of Sean Hannity even while his branch acts somewhat independently from him.

@Nonilex these presidential powers aren't novel to people who have been paying attention to the US system for decades.

There's really nothing new here. Just reporters finally reporting stuff that has been happening the whole time... and unfortunately getting things wrong occasionally as they're not themselves familiar with the topic.

@josh it's almost as if the stories about Roberts being totally in Trump's camp weren't true in the first place.

Seriously, that story has always been nonsense, as Roberts has decided against Trump plenty of the years. But that didn't support the conspiracy theories, so never mind it.