+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
@reverend
consider:
- we don't have a free market here. everything is overregulated. half of income gets extracted and then put into companies who did the best "lobbying" (bribes).
- measuring success by "high speed train exists" is a fallacy. those prestige projects always work in collectivist systems, that's why the pyramids exist. just takes enough resources and people to make the problem go away. keeping the high speed trains going over decades is where it is.
- china isn't successful because of communism, it's successful for allowing just enough capitalist flexibility to sell things to the west and by ignoring effects on people and environment.
@begsby @bonifartius du hast ja recht :(((
@begsby ja waren einige Chomsky - Zizek zwei meiner großen idole .. naja...................
@begsby ich seh es wie bei den Bands: Irgendwann wird jeder ein kommerzieller Verräter. Dann sagt man halt - die erste Platte war geil. Nur die erste.
@reverend
> feudal Western Europeans
that's about the feeling yeah
> Even if there were, accumulation would inevitably set in. And with it, centralisation and monopoly.
i don't think it would to this extend without entities redistributing money. microsoft for example got this big by raking in governmental license fees. they are very protective of this, cf. the limux project which effectively got killed by what they call "lobbying".
a counter example is that i can select from 4 or 5 local bakers. they weren't killed by the big industrial scale ones, not even in the last years. same goes for many other things here. a free market doesn't only use "cheapest per unit" for value, but whatever those involved put value on for whatever reason. apparently people like good quality and supporting local business and put value on it.
@sun As I said before, that's meant to be provocative, not true. I just like the sound of hyperventilation.
@sun Everything's fine. I wanted to know.
@bonifartius Yes, of course. It's just provocation. For years, we've been listening to the arrogant babbling of the feudal Western Europeans who have been dumbed down. I like everything that annoys them. And yes, China is not communism. But there are no free markets either. Even if there were, accumulation would inevitably set in. And with it, centralisation and monopoly.