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#depression #MentalHealth

@freemo it is created

@louis What is?

@freemo sorry, no bad intentions. Depression as label is created. That people get into troubles is true. That is one subject, but that it is created as label is different subject, and that is for profit only, for psychiatry. Drugs do not help any depression, they may just let person become a walking zombie, but is that help?

@louis @freemo Swedes rely on psychiatry and medication much less than people in the USA.

Sounds awesome, right? What is the secret? Swedish society and physiology is not all that different from the USA after all. How do they manage it?

Maybe Swedish society is a bit less stressful? After all, there's parental leave and vacations on a whole other order of magnitude than in the USA, and there is heavily subsidized medical care and no crime-ridden megacities. Life is just better, and Swedes compete with the Danes on being the happiest people on the planet.

Swedes kill themselves 20% more than US Americans.

@louis @freemo

Swedes kill themselves 20% more than US Americans.

So, what do you make of the comparison, @clacke ? Everyone has dark thoughts and Swedes tend to internalize them? I'm pretty sure the stats would show that US Americans do a better job at killing each other.

@alysonsee @louis @freemo I stand behind my implied statement that Swedes kill themselves more because mental health carries more stigma than in the US, and fewer Swedes seek treatment, whether talk therapy, medication or both, even though both are far more affordable in Sweden.

@clacke @alysonsee @louis @freemo I wish I kept that stigma and didn't reach out for the so-called support in the UK. I went through all this shit, and it didn't address my problems. I came out with more trauma than I went in. The meds, the counselling, the CBT, the charities... all of it. I could have done without it.

I did hear later on too late for me that the drugs only work for a minority of people. They also have the potential for awful side-effects like causing the problems you go into it for. It's all experimentation. I don't think the people giving them to me were even qualified for that position, and it was hard to convince them to get me off it when I realised it was detrimental and gave me what I'd call withdrawal for my brain.

@sim

Its hard for me to respond to that because i wasnt there, we just have your opinion. While i completely believe it is an honest opinion you hold, its still tricky on a few accounts.

For example if i take everything at face value then it sounds like you just had some really shitty doctors. From what I know of UK healthcare that is no surprise your system is horrific and you will have a hard time finding qualified doctors in general.

If that is the case that is not an argument against psychiatry it is only an arguments against unqualified psychiatrists. Which i agree are likely to do more harm than good.

The other side of the coin is that depending on the nature of your mental health its hard to gauge what sort of mental health issues you have and if that prevents you or not from being objective about your own treatment. Not saying this applies to you, I dont know you. But it is common for many with mental illness.

I once helped someone I cared about who as he got older developed Paranoid Schizophrenia rather severely. When untreated he couldn't sleep, believed people were beaming thoughts in his head, telling him to kill himself, i would often find him just crying in his room alone due to all the stress.

Despite this he refused treatment of any kind. He felt everyone was part of some grand conspiracy, doctors, me, everyone, so he naturally refused. Ultimately i told him the only way i would continue to help him is if he was getting treatment, otherwise he had to go back and live with his parents. This was enough for him to seek his treatment and take medication.

The thing is on medication he gave me a huge hug and cried as he told me how much happier he was and how grateful he was to me for forcing it on him in his otherwise incoherent state. Thing is after a few weeks he told me he was stopping the medication as he didnt feel he actually needed, he thought he was healthy again and the meds just "made him tired". So he went off of it and back to his old self in a few days.

The thing is when he isn't on the meds he would say things that sound similar, that it was all horrible and just part of the torture and "mind games" of the conspiracy. Despite the fact that clearly when he was on it and rational he felt it was helpful.

Long story short its hard to know without knowing someones mental health history if that may not apply or not.

@alysonsee @clacke @louis

@freemo @sim @alysonsee @clacke @louis
Nah, Sim is right. The drugs are a joke. A scam. Here, let a licensed therapist tell you. https://youtu.be/tiC-8suDDaI?t=140

But most importantly, the mental health world DOES NOT have the same goal as mental health patients. You go in wanting to figure out what's wrong, work through your problems, solve them, find closure, regain balance. Psychiatry and psychotherapy have different goals — keep you from suddenly doing anything weird and be a good, productive, tax-paying sheeple (or if you're really fucked up, sort you off to the side so you don't interfere with the others). So, no quitting bad jobs, marriages, walking out on your kids, mortgages, etc. Definitely no confrontations with parents, friends, wives, bosses, or other authority figures — even though that could bring you closure and even solve your problem, it's dangerous and destabilizing. Better to dope you up.

The other part of it I think, Freemo, is that most people DO know objectively what they need. But what they need is often inconvenient. You go in at 15 and tell people "Everyone hates me" or "I have a terrible life" and they tell you, "Noooo. You have a family that loves you and you have a lot of wonderful things in your life." And the evil thing is... You were right to begin with. But it will take you another 10-30+ years to realize it! You thought that everyone hated you, because you were surrounded by people who DID hate you. You had family or a spouse or friends who had contempt for you. It's not counteracted by those people telling you they love you. That's a manipulation and abuse technique, it's not affection. And you got to thinking your life was pretty bad because you were in whatever situation you were in. Well, it was. Ha! But they just want to dope you up and keep you going along without growing and changing and breaking with the past and choosing a new and healthier future. Mental health is a racket. People are better off trying to sort it out on their own with journaling, meditation, and healthy living.

And as far as the severe illnesses, it's really the same thing. They're not wrong that it's a total conspiracy. They see something is wrong, with their family, their environment, the Clown World at large, and everyone around them tells them it's not. If they can't get out of the situation or resolve it somehow, they will eventually split off mentally in order to handle the trauma. All the delusions and hallucinations are entirely real, but they are being expressed allegorically, the only way that person can get anyone to listen to them without immediately dismissing their concerns. It's actually possible to resolve even serious mental illnesses by understanding this and unraveling it, but it's difficult and in most cases it doesn't get resolved.

@jack @freemo @alysonsee @clacke @louis @sim keep buying our drugs slave.

I stopped being a good goyem and used therapy and meditation to fix the issue I had (real bad panic attacks caused by eating food/being around smoke). Dr just had me take an SSRI.

Fucked with my sex drive and willingness to do anything. Only benefit was when I did have sex, it made me last as long as a pornstar 🍆.

Still though, fuck doctors that don’t actually care for your wellbeing. They just want that sweet sweet drug money (or free rep food).