@AmpBenzScientist Very true. Thankfully models are completely irrelevant to us knowing that Climate Change is human caused and already very much devastating.

@freemo The simple fact that the models have yet to accurately predict the severity of problem implies that not enough is known. This is similar to Euler's Method when an Improved Euler's Method is required with as many steps as possible.

@AmpBenzScientist That makes no sense. Models arent used to determine the curreent severity of a problem, theya re used to predict the severity we may expect in the future.

Models have no relevance on understanding that the effects of climate change have **already** been devestating, so no they dont and by their nature cant fail at that task, as that is not their purpose.

This seems to be a position drawn from complete ignorance as to what role models play in science.

@freemo A Mathematical Modeling of an event should be able to predict the magnitude of the event at any given time interval. This would include the past, present and future.
The Modeling that I do is much different and I was recruited for the purpose.

@AmpBenzScientist If I want to know something about the present or past I dont need a model, I simply need to look at the past or the present.

If someone claims "50% of the ice caps have already melted" (just making up a figure) I dont need a model to confirm that, a model is irrelevant. All I need to do is look at the ice caps and measure how much of it there is.

@freemo More accurate results are obtained through direct measurements. I won't argue against this fact.