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@steakwipe I already have a AR-15, its very enjoyable. Would be fun to get something else. The Ar-15 is a Nato5.56 (also .223 compatible) which is a nice caliber as a first gun for sure, but I want my next gun to be something unique, and a new caliber. The SPAS-12 is a shotgun, P90 has a much smaller caliber but holds a ton of bullets with a really cool design and look, and Desert Tech HPI is the biggest caliber rifle you can get the 0.50 BMG.. so all of these would be a lot of fun.
@freemo @steakwipe i have shooted a NATO 7,62 CETME rifle in a fire range and I didn't like it! Too much noise, and fear of hit anithing else than the silhouette. It had a big recoil, and hurts when shooting, especially in automatic mode. I didn't hit no one at all. Two 20 cartouche cartadridge!
But the most fearing experience was when i comnanded a 81 mm mortar piece squad. There were pretty big granades and those make a very loud noise and vibration when firing them.
@steakwipe @freemo guns are necesary, for example for hunting. You can use for disuading people going into your home. But once in you have to make a decision... And those are not trivial words... Here, in Spain, we have it easy... Fire arms are not permitted, only hunting and sports guns...
Hjome invasion is just one among many situations where a gun may be useful to save lives.
If we really want to discuss guns within the context of self defence (and i stress the fact this is a small minority of its actual use in practice) then I'd say the top scenario to discuss is women who are at risk of physical assault and rape.
Women are at a disavantage when defending themselves against most men. Rape and abuse from ex partners or random men is a real concern for them. A gun can be one of the only ways for them to truly level the playing field and be safe if they are at-risk.
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@steakwipe@toast.cafe
One of the reason i really love the QOTO crows are conversations like this.
We seem to be a haven for people who can debate on otherwise volatile issues respectfully and to do so in a way that is insightful and chariable in both directions. Its a welcome respite from the drama we usually deal with in other social media settings on the internet.
@freemo @steakwipe one of the things i like of the firearms world is the technology behind it. The refining of the fabrication techniques and engineering involved
Their evolution, technological competition that have developed not only civilian technology, even, ironically medical knowledge.
Some times i watch at this YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/ForgottenWeapons
I recommend you, if you like fire arms, specially historical and rare weapons.
