@dv8 Yea I know im late to the game, but I do like to consider all the points. Espcially considering how unhinged the left is when it comes to Trump I cant trust a single accusation they make and everything is exagerated. So I have to read it myself and try to find the truth.

Its pretty bad, I mean he always rambles incoherently and says dumb ass ship.. but he sounds like a schizophrenic almost in this transcript... Just cant decide if he believes his bullshit or if he is just really bad at manipulating situations in his favor and is trying to steal the election.

@freemo I started paying attention to politics full time (it was zero time before) when some dude said he enjoys grabbing chicks by the puzzy and mocked a handicapped guy, was running for President of the "most best country" in the world. And a bunch of people said, sounds good. So I says to myself, this is going to be quite amusing. and I wasn't let down.
I have loled more in 5 years then in the entirety of my existence.

So when people ask me how I feel about current politics, I say.

Every day is potatoe.

@dv8 Cant argue with any of that :)

@DA70D6 happy to help... he feels like when you argue against someone online who realizes they are wrong but just refuses to back down. Even then i can tell how much they consciously realize they were wrong.

@freemo There are a lot of parallels. The Wall Street investors are another group of the same type.

In fighting games people like them are a very specific and easily recognizable type of player and we make fun of them all the time.

@DA70D6 not sure i know the connection with fighting games here or the wall street people specifically or the relevance with all that.

@freemo It's an archetype of behavior. The kind of person that lives in a bubble and cannot understand that they are responsible for their failure. Trump at this point strikes me as the very extreme of that behavior, if he really believes in his own bullshit that much.

@DA70D6 Ahh i see, yes that makes sense.

@Pat honestly if we are talking everyday people I would expect 100% are delusional. Corruption doesnt make sense, they have nothing to gain from it. Politicians on the other hand, now that would gbe interesting.

@freemo
It's probably closely related to media literacy and political savvy, and critical reasoning skills generally. And it has a lot to do with character and loyalty to the fundamental principles of democracy. If someone doesn't have the skills to seek out reliable sources of information and to critically analyze those sources and information, then they might make the incorrect assessment that the election was "rigged". If those people also have a strong loyalty to those fundamental principles, then they would likely be very upset.

However, if someone was able to determine the actual facts and knew that Biden won the election but they didn't have any loyalty to the fundamental principles of our republic, then they might lie about it and say it was a fraud if they thought that they had something to gain from it. But that last part, that's a different kind of delusion -- to think that one has something to gain from overthrowing a democracy. That's never true. Dictators are never satisfied and will eventually take away everyone's power and freedom. The corrupt ones who think that they can ride the back of tiger eventually lose their own freedom and power -- the hard way.