I doubt a single one of the COVID conspiracy theory nutters out there could even answer this quiz, and this is just the basic level.

@freemo I don't care about the vaccine safety any more. I'm upset about being compelled to take it.

@swiley I agree 100% with you, thats an issue. But then again thats just as much the conspirasy theorists fault as it is the governments. If so many people werent out there spreading lies convincing people to put their lives at risk there wouldnt have been the need.

@freemo There's arguably no need regardless.

@swiley While I dont agree that it should be forced on anyone, there is a need, and the conspiracy theorists created it.

There are countless people who beleived their lies and arent smart enough to know better who are going to die. It has kept the vaccinations from reaching herd immunity and as such the potential for ever more variants to arise.

So the need is preventing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people that anti-vaxers have caused.. yes there is a "need", I just dont feel that justified forced vaccination no matter how big that need may be

@freemo Israel has nearly 100% vaccination and has no herd immunity.
The virus is not as deadly as people say it is and there are alternative treatments that work better as Japan, Mexico, and India have found.
Pushing the vaccine instead of Ivermectin and antibodies is killing people.

@swiley Wrong, Israel has <80% vaccinated as of the latest figures and herd immunity kicks in above 80% with this virus.. So no they dont have herd immunity yet.

Also remember what I said, herd immunity only works when the entire population reaches it quickly (before variants have a chance to form which accelerates as you vaccinate before reaching herd immunity). We achieved herd immunity with smallpox, for example, because the campaign was global and that was a bit of an easier virus in terms of variants.

@freemo I thought Fauci said 50%.

@swiley I have no idea what Fauci said, nor do I care what he or any one specific doctor says. I care about the scientific consensus which has herd immunity well above 80%

@freemo Either way, the vaccine is not as effective as Ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies. It's orders of magnitude more deadly than every vaccine we've had, and for younger boys it's more deadly than covid itself.
It's not a good treatment.

@swiley Its many times more effective than Ivermectin (which may be part of a treatment as well, assuming the vaccine was already tried)... you sound like an uninformed dunce honestly, almost no one has died from the vaccine, you are spewing anti-science, anti-fact bullshit. You do you, but you've lost the respect of myself and so many others (who continually keep reporting you) with this anti-intellectual nonsense that even a few minutes of research could easily disprove if you didnt have your head up your ass.

If I sound mad, I am, because aside from just costing hundreds of thousands of people their lives by spreading this bullshit misinformation, you are also now costing people their freedoms as a consequence because people are so desperate to try to find a way to save those lives.

@freemo
>almost no one has died from the vaccine
This is clearly wrong. There are enough deaths from the heart problems alone that they're investigating it.

@swiley thus the word almost.. only 2 people died from blood clots, they investigated it. Of those who got myocarditis so far 0 have died, only 2 wound up in the ICU..

Enough got symptoms of myocarditis to investigate it, true, but 100% of people survived. If anything it demonstrates the safety of vaccines and how even symptoms with no deaths is enough to trigger a full investigation.

@freemo There have been thousands of deaths reported to VARES, a service run by the CDC. Where is your data coming from?

@swiley See this is why you are too uneducated on the subject to open your mouth and why you would fail the above test.

VARES requires doctors, by law, to report any death even those not related to covid, that occur within 14 days after a vaccine, any death at all. The death reports in VAREs does **not** represent death due to the vaccine. These deaths are followed up and investigated to see if any of them wind up being caused by the vaccines and out of those investigations there are very very few deaths.

Please stop saying shit you **think** is true but lack even basic training or education to understand the nonsense coming out of your mouth. If you dont understand a topic dont try to "educate" people with misinformation, educate yourself first.

@freemo @swiley Yes friend if you are worried about VAERS containing false positives, you should look up how they are defining "covid deaths". Any person who dies, for any reason, but has a coronavirus positive diagnosis, is counted as a covid death. Keep in mind too that before the tests were common, simply having symptoms like coughing or a runny nose could be enough to get a positive diagnosis. Thank you friend.

@bebe @freemo @swiley Exactly. You can't eat your cake and have it too. Either VAERS deaths AND covid deaths are bullshit, or both are true. Choose one frame, don't flip flop between both to suit your interests.

@Eris Sorry it doesnt work that way... There is no "COVID deaths list"... there are many different lists and each one you must understand the criteria. There is VARES, there is the CDC preliminary, there is the CDC finalized, there are doubple blind sampled studies, and many hundreds if not thousands of different lists.

The problem with not being educated on the topic are exactly these sort of inane simplifications.

@freemo
>Sorry it doesnt work that way... There is no "COVID deaths list"...
What is CNN putting on its chyron every day then?
>The problem with not being educated on the topic are exactly these sort of inane simplifications.
The problem is that you think that is only happening on one side.

@Eris CNN along with any mainstream media, is not a scientific source. They, like fox news or any other media, spew nonsense.

@freemo Yet you aren't calling them murderers. Curious.

@Eris I'm not? I've called CNN murderers plenty of times.

@freemo This thread seems pretty one-sided to me bro. The "vaccine misinformation" is causing mass death, but the covid misinformation is irrelevant to you.

@freemo For clarity, I don't think either can be said to be causing death. That's just not how reality works. The disease and the vaccine are causing deaths, not people or their words.

@Eris The fallacy in your logic is that only one thing "causes" something.. Not how it works. Any event is caused by a countless number of contributing factors. If i lick a doorknob and die of COVID you can say that COVID caused the death because if it didnt exist I wouldnt have died. You can also say licking the doorknob caused my death because had I not licked the doorknob I would not have died either.

@freemo
>The fallacy in your logic is that only one thing "causes" something.. Not how it works.
That's actually exactly how it works. All responsibility for anything ultimately falls on one specific set of shoulders. That's how responsibility works.
> If i lick a doorknob and die of COVID you can say that COVID caused the death because if it didnt exist I wouldnt have died. You can also say licking the doorknob caused my death because had I not licked the doorknob I would not have died either.
COVID killed you. Simple as.

@Eris You are wrong.. the very fact that you had to say "set of shoulders" implied there are multiple "shoulders" to blame.. admitting to my point.

@freemo It can be multiple shoulders, but it will always be a finite set of them which acted as a discrete entity. For example, no Nazi committed the holocaust, Nazis did. The only reasonable attribution of responsibility for the holocaust is "The Nazis," not this or that Nazi, not the german people, etc.
The direct cause of a thing is responsible for it. Nothing and no one else is. You can never be responsible for something you did not cause.

@Eris Sorry but the world isnt as simple as you seem to want it to be.. cant agree with that in the least.

@freemo My experience in life has been that any time someone says "It's not that simple," they are on the wrong side of the argument and want to needlessly complicate things to muddy ther waters.
Anything, when properly understood, is simple.

@Eris My expiernce is anytime someone oversimplifies everything to simple black and white they dont understand even the most basic details about a subject and are likely incapable of doing so.