🇳🇱
Next time you think the US wage and employment system is unfair and doesnt pay a living wage just remember this... you can spend a year in your moms bawsement learning programming and reading books and then go get an entry level job for 40k - 50k, and by the end of 4 years (presuming you continue to refine your skills) will easily be able to rake in 100K a year.... all with no diploma or formal education, just your own hard work.
You can't even get that in most of europe... america is a pretty damn good place to move up if you bother to invest in your own skills.
@1iceloops123@shitposter.club
@1iceloops123 yes that or even just have more kids than they can afford, like its some right and its everyone elses fault they cant afford them. Its taboo to remind them that they are bad parents for having more kids than they had the means to raise.
I cant tell you how many middle class families are married with 2 - 3 kids, only one working adult, and 2 cars in a 4 room suburban home like a mansion who complain they cant afford health insurance or their bills.
@freemo hmmm as someone living in the UK, this definitely applies here too. Though.... I guess we aren't part of Europe anymore 🤣
@freemo You can also get that drilling water wells or working on power lines
@freemo I am doing exactly this right now, because it is the shortest route from A to B
@rchrd it applies to other professions too, but yea, its an easy route to self-sufficiency
@freemo but we also need people working at mcDonalds and janitors and at grocery store. Shouldn’t these people make a living wage too?
@freemo but to be a coder, it’s not sufficient to want to make money. You need to like coding too
@louisrcouture if you like it then you will probably do better at it. But if there is one thing that is obvious its that 90%+ coders dont like it beyond finding their job easy for the amount of pay... in fact the vast majority of people dont like their job to the extent they would do it if they werent paid.
In the netherlands a lot of people work at supermarkets stocking shelfs or similar work. None of them like their job besides perhaps enjoying their co-workers and/or boss.
@freemo In the Netherlands, most of the people stocking shelves are students. They're the cheapest and generally get 'kicked out' when they get too old. And for students, it's an easy job to get a quick buck.
I also have seen some elderly around my area stocking shelves.
@freemo
My thought is more like... is it important to *love* your temp job? If it's just a few years, and it's generally not your livelihood but just something extra to your student/retirement life, then apparently people don't mind.
If you're going to do a long term job, basically your career, then it's important you at least like it. So if you learn to be a coder and you don't like it.. well, not a good career path then?
I'm not sure calling it a temp job when it lasts for years is doing the conversation much justice. Most people will switch jobs every so many years through their life. Its rare a person sticks with one company for a life time. Do we call them all temp jobs just because they dont last until you die?
@freemo
Well, yeah, especially as with supermarkets you don't really earn that much for a normal living wage. Never intended to be. If you're too expensive they'll just hire a fresh student barely 16 years old.
Sure, but we arent talking about the wage, we are talking about the notion that you need to love your job.. im arguing most people dont, supermarkets or otherwise.
Also to be fair I've never seen lower wages than I did when I tried to work int he netherlands. They would offer me about 1/6th the wage I would get in america for my job.
