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All the idiots from Twitter University are coming out of the woodwork ont he #KyleRittennhouse case. My feed is filled with morons talking about "mistrial with prejudice" who have clearly no clue what that means or when it is applied. I really need to stay the fuck away from Twitter.
@freemo I cant believe some people think he is a hero and on the other side to think that when getting drop kicked and have a gun pointed at him wouldnt provoke him to shoot. I feel sad for him cause he probably did go out with vigilante justice in his mind but is just a child in this crazy world and so are all the other nut cases.
@twotwenty I mean, he objectively is a hero considering who he shot. And in self-defense at that.
binger has basically failed to provide any evidence for this though. their closing rebuttal amounts to corncob literally saying "people take a beating sometimes."
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@icedquinn This case will not be decided on the facts but on the politics of the jurors.
@icedquinn How are they threatening the jurors?
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It’s super plausible though, leftist stormtroopers have been doing that for years now, and all eyes are on this trial. It’s almost impossible that somebody somewhere isn’t threatening to do this, the real question is whether they have genuine intent and capability.
Its plausible even though Jack was very clearly lying based on what he said.
Yea honestly the prosecution seemed to be acting kinda emotional and unhinged. At least, while trying to hide it under a thin veil of professionalism
but their case is utter garbage so they have to lay on the pathos and pray.
their jimmies were rustled AF by closing though
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That too... its hard to burn down homes and businesses with people shooting at you. So rude!
@freemo The prosecution’s melting down was hilarious. That doesn’t entail a not guilty verdict in a highly politicized nation, though. It means basically nothing, honestly.
All I know is if the jury was comprised of 12 truly objective people we would have had a verdict back after 15 minutes of not-guilty.
@freemo Which means the fact that they took the whole day is evidence that they have a MUH STATE LINES Karen on the jury.
No one can really say if it will be a hung jury, but the longer it goes on the more likely that is to be true.
That said if it is a hung jury then that would mean that it is a mistrial **without** prejudice. That would mean whatever verdicts they didnt agree on (and thus are hung on) would have to undergo a retrial.
How many times can an American citizen go through retrails because the system is incompetent/broken?
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@icscarythings If they fail to acquit, this is the Last Straw for the legitimacy of the system. As though the rigged election weren’t enough, The System on a national level has decided that defending yourself against child rapists is murder.
Anything short of a full acquittal on all charges justifies direct violent action against the State and its agents, like cops and judges. It’s just cause for regime change, and everybody knows it. Anything short of a not guilty verdict is an expression of intent by The System to murder-rape you.
This is why Schroeder should’ve just mistrialed it with prejudice when the prosecution tried to throw it. He’s playing with the stature of the nation by trying to play it straight.
Not that we need to go down this rabbit hole. But I do want to make it clear, I think the idea that the election was "rigged", at least with any evidence to support that, is complete nonsense.
@freemo Well, facts don’t care about your feelings. It was rigged.
I agree with the first part, facts dont care about your feelings... the second part however is wrong, there is no evidence to show it was rigged.
Now i wont say the election isnt rigged, per se. I will only point out the complete lack of evidence that it is and what little evidence has been claimed has been pretty laughable IMO. That said it is possible it is rigged and there is simply no evidence to prove it. Can never rule out the unfalsifiable.
@freemo >there is no evidence to show it was rigged.
The Arizona Audit conclusively proved it was rigged. We’re not relitigating this matter. Get back on topic to the point raised that the system is about to sign its own death warranted, or get blocked.
I really have no intention of ever filtering my opinions by threat of you blocking me. I could give 0 fucks. But as I said **when you brought up** the topic of the election being rigged, I also have no desire to hash it out again and yet again show you or anyone else why you are obviously wrong.
@freemo It’s not opinion that the election was rigged, but verifiable fact. See the Arizona Audit data. This matter is decided, much in the way that 2+2=4 or that Kyle Rittenhouse was defending himself.
You have chosen to try to relitigate a decided matter, a typical leftist tactic. Goodbye.
Am I suppose to care that your fragility over being wrong means your going to block me or something. Go for it. Best you do it before I have a chance to go into actual detail about why your ideas are completely idiotic.
Have fun, dont let the door hit your ass on the way out.
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I got blocked the other day by a media dude at redhat wearing a redhat... I said grouping people of all demoninations of unvaccinated and calling them antivaxxers and slinging shit is a form of bigotry.. he said I /block people who call me bigot. lol
Remember if you block everyone who calls you a bigot then no one is left to call you a bigot. If no one calls you a bigot that means you arent a bigot. Ergo he has a right to block you for slandering him with accusations that arent true.
t. guy who has me blocked for calling him a faggot
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The irony of it is, it's a true story... I bet the bigots of the past ignored those they hated to.
You will usually find people like this dude of have very fragile ideas they hold onto only because their ego doesnt allow them to let go.. they will always be quick to hit that block button before a person even has a chance to destroy their fragile little ego, errrr, I mean, their ideas.
> I also have no desire to hash it out again and yet again show you or anyone else why you are obviously wrong.
That's because you can't.
Broke: Assume legitimacy unless evidence to the contrary is presented.
Woke: Assume fraud unless evidence to the contrary is presented.
Citizens have a presumption of innocence. The state does not.
The idea that any election *wasn't* rigged is complete nonsense.
@Eris Thanks for posting some of the evidence again. I’m just sick of rehashing these topics over and over again. It reminds me of the Binger prosecution engaging in the most vile Talmudry to pretend that the video evidence shows something other than what it does.
>I’m just sick of rehashing these topics over and over again.
You're not "rehashing" them. He is refusing to let you hash them. That's why the same conflict comes up again and again: Those in the wrong refuse to have their minds changed.
i would have liked to see some of those lawsuits tried on the merits and SCOTUS saying states have no standing is just retarded.
> "i don't have confidence of the security of the process"
I have extreme confidence in the insecurity of the process. Rigging is trivial and beneficial therefore I can conclude ipso facto that it is done.
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wouldnt that mean its always been done and par for the coarse and that the repubs have been doing it to ?
On this I agree. Which is why I didnt claim it wasnt rigged and simply said there is no evidence showing it was. I am perfectly ok with the idea that the government has done little to secure our trust in general and as such nothing can really be trusted.
> Which is why I didnt claim it wasnt rigged and simply said there is no evidence showing it was.
Either it was or it wasn't. You don't get bonus points for sitting on the fence. Being wrong would be preferable, at least then you'd have some balls.
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I think his answer was a logical I don't know.
your reasoning would suggest all elections have been rigged.
>your reasoning would suggest all elections have been rigged.
How is that not obvious? Why would they ever not rig it?
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I actually agree and think trump bush clinton etc are all guilty of rigging elections by many means.
so.. its also not proof the orange man won either. since he probably was rigging other counties.
Trump was non-system-compliant which is why the system rigged it against him.
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My opinion is its all rigged.. trump is part of the system and was a theatre to convince a group of people to become obnoxious and another group of people that censorship and loss of freedom for safty is ok.. but he was just a good actor ..
thats my opinion.
Just because something is either true or false doesnt mean your going to be respected for deciding which happens to be the case when you lack any evidence to make a conclusion. Wisdom is knowing when to say "I dont have the evidence to draw a conclusion"
>Wisdom is knowing when to say "I dont have the evidence to draw a conclusion"
That's not wisdom that's being a pussy.
There is WAY MORE evidence than any reasonable person needs to draw a conclusion.
This image alone is sufficient evidence to anyone with a brain.
All I know is this
1) every shred of claimed evidence the election was rigged turned out to be utterly false
2) Trumps phone conversations made it clear he was asking people to lie and make up numbers to show a rigged election, discrediting his case
3) showing the election is not rigged is an attempt to prove a negative, which is often extremely difficult or impossible to do no matter how much evidence you hope to accumulate
As such no reasonable person would claim with certainty the election is rigged. The best anyone can do, and I would agree with this, is say the government is a shady bastard and I wouldnt put it or anything else past them.
>every shred of claimed evidence the election was rigged turned out to be utterly false
That's just a lie though.
>Trumps phone conversations made it clear he was asking people to lie and make up numbers to show a rigged election, discrediting his case
That's also just a lie though. He was doing the exact opposite of that: Asking them to show the real numbers.
>showing the election is not rigged is an attempt to prove a negative, which is often extremely difficult or impossible to do no matter how much evidence you hope to accumulate
It's still the standard we should hold them to.
>As such no reasonable person would claim with certainty the election is rigged.
Any reasonable person would reconize the obvious fact that the election was rigged. You have to lie to make it even seem reasonable to doubt it.
Your argument is literally "I have debunked all of your claims before you made them. No I will not show any of this debunking. I don't want to rehash things. Obviously I am perfectly reasonable here and you are insane."
Stop doing this lol.
No thats fair. Obviously the fact that I have debunked it int he past and not willing to rehash it for the 1000th time is not a good argument, and by itself is not going to convince you nor should it.
I am ok with that. I've had the argument so many times and so often proved every point in detail that for me personally it has been settled and there is nothing to be gained to do it again. So im happy to just end the conversation and let you be wrong.
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