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Seems pretty clear to me, want to place limits on it, get support for a new amendment.
@freemo right on. And before someone posts the "well regulated militia" argument, the militia at that time was the able-bodied male population. The 2a is definitely about the general public being armed and trained to repel either invasion or tyranny.
If the Federal government wanted to take the 2a seriously, they should be expanding the Civilian Marksmanship Program and offering free rifle lessons in high school.
@mike805 The well regulated militia is clearly an exemplary clause and not a qualifying clause
@freemo also "the people"in the 2a definitely refers to the actual human beings living in this territory. So that quashes any "collective right" claim.
The use of "the people" to refer to some theoretical group right is really a Marxist invention. The founders said what they meant and meant what they said.
I might have a suggestion that could satisfy most of the people here:
**Problem:** The perpetrators in mass shootings are mainly "loners" with some unresolved issues.
**Solution:** To be able to legally buy a gun you need to be a member in good standing and have a permit from a "well-regulated militia" (a.k.a. a gun club or society).
So the responsibility for the security of a society is neither on the individual nor on the government, but on the society itself.
What do you think? Is everybody happy? You have your guns (as many as you wish) and the rest of us are a little bit less concerned we'll get shot at our place of work, learning, or praying.
Why is it more terrifying than being all by yourself? Just make sure your club is not hostile to the government.😀
If the government thinks you, or any bunch you are currently associated with, are hostile, you will be stripped of your rights anyway, club or not club. At least in a club that was previously sanctioned by that same government, you have some kind of protection.
@thatguyoverthere @mike805 @freemo @lmrocha
If it helps, think of it as a ***"gun owners' fediverse"*** where each club is an "instance" and the NRA, instead of an association of individuals, is a federation of all the gun clubs of America.
Then, instead of taking care primarily of just the needs of their wealthy donors (gun manufacturers), they may start also thinking about the needs of all of their other members and their local societies.
The idea is great except where its required.. it would be like saying if you want access to the internet you need a fediverse instance you join and that gives you permission to get on the internet.
How don't you see it is the same situation?
I can get access to the Internet from a library or walk onto a shooting range and shoot a few rounds under supervision, but if I want to buy a gun and take it home where there is a risk of harming other people, I have to get an IP subscription and join some of the social platforms where I can "shoot" nonsense like this.😀
@thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha
@pj @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha
Do you think getting on the internet should mean approval from a club thoigh? Cause thats not how we do it now, anyone can get internet and cant be denied.
Oh, it can.
Try downloading child porn or other shit and look how fast it will be denied.
@thatguyoverthere
Attacking a person is in this analogy akin to physically harming a child as opposed to "just" downloading child porn.
Ideally, you would want to prevent evil or sick people to harm anyone.
@pj @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha
If you physically attack someone with a gun you loose the gun... how do you physically attack someone on the internet though? Not sure i follow
@freemo
Yes, I've said it is not the same. @thatguyoverthere @mike805 @lmrocha