SO since there has not been a peep - I am guessing #SCOTUS is planning to hear The Student Loan frivolous cases just at the end of June when everything closes for the Fourth of July.
Does anyone know any different? If it is so, it's going to be another "Rule and Dash" against The Constitution. Right?
Just mere coinicidence Repugnicans came out with a "Student Plan plan" just now before they "ruled in June", right?
#StudentLoans ##SJC #Law #Constitution #Biden #FrivolousLawsuit
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@SameGirlie I really need to catch up on this.. I thought it was ruled unconstitutional a while ago?
@SameGirlie Ahh interesting.. I will be curious to hear the results.
Personally I hope they say the loan forgiveness is unconstitutional and I hope the result is that the government passes laws that make college free or cheap the right way (paying FUTURE college bills, not past, and paid by the government not loan agencies).
::fingers crossed::
@freemo My fingers are crossed that SCOTUS does not rule the use of actual laws unconstitional. It is wrong and it is a hijacking of our RIghts, Government, and Process by appointees of a Criminal.
@SameGirlie Not sure I follow what you mean.
I assume you mean Trump? Thats a tough one. I mean I agree he was a piece of shit and hope he is found guilty and prevented from running a second time for sure... But are you suggesting that all presidents who are legitimately elected but later commit crimes should have all their SCOTUS selections reversed? All their rulings too? Not sure how that could be done in any practical sense, though I understand the spirit there.
So how would we legally determine what laws are constitutional now in a post-trump world?
Keep in mind that Congress wrote their appropriations bills based on reliance that these student loans would be paid back.
By law, Congress regularly cites these payments as part of the legal budget, no different from any other tax.
Biden cannot legally decline to collect this money any more than he can just decide not to collect corporate taxes any more.
That these student loan payments are part of the legal funding of government is a point all too often overlooked.
@volkris @SameGirlie @freemo Forgiving a loan is spending. Only the House can spend. Biden has no right to forgive a loan without an appropriations bill.
Excellent point. Regardless of who appointed the supreme court it clearly was not within Biden's legal right to do so no matter how you cut it.
@freemo @volkris @SameGirlie People have tried to cheat on their taxes by getting a "loan" from their corporation that they own, and then forgiving the loan or just extending the terms indefinitely at zero interest, which is the same thing. They got busted for tax fraud. This is no different.
Not everyone having a mature conversation with a difference of opinion is gaslighting, please stop being hyperbolic.
If you'd care to elaborate on what you mean I'd love to hear you out. But your response is far too short for me to know what you mean.
@freemo @SameGirlie @volkris Context missing, did someone delete a toot here?
No SameGirlie rage quit and blocked you and everyone else int he thread.
@freemo @SameGirlie @volkris Oh well, that's called losing the argument.
@mike805 @SameGirlie @volkris
Your opinion cant be very valuable if you didnt even bother to consider dissenting opinions in forming it... I just call it being ignorant, at least when the conversation is otherwise mature.
@freemo @SameGirlie @volkris From what I've seen, the USA in particular is so divided that many people - maybe most - will just shut down when they conclude that you are "one of them." I run into this on noc.social as well when the subject of global warming comes up. There is a resident doomist on there, and he will not discuss the HOW of it. Just "we must stop using fossil fuels right now!"
Yes hyper-polarization in the USA tends to result in people being very aggressive against anyone with a more nuanced or middle road opinion than their own. Its very tiring.
@freemo @SameGirlie @volkris I've actually been accused of "both sides ism" on here. Yeah, I think the American political system is like one of those puppet shows where the puppeteer has one on each hand and they argue with each other.
The issues they argue about all have one thing in common: they are not important to the financier class.
Yea anytime you add even a smidge of nuance to a conversation its "both sidism"... being in the USA is like being in a mental institution where no one is getting treated.
Do Americans even realize how they are seen as the laughing stock of the rest of the world, both left and right politically?
@freemo @SameGirlie @volkris America ought to be taken seriously as a threat by the rest of the world. If you look into it, a lot of the Bad Things of the 20th century were partly caused by Americans who thought they knew how to run the world.
American progressives thought they could create utopia by getting into WW1, and they set up a future disaster. Around the same time, some people in New York, with a similar worldview, were funding the Bolsheviks, setting up the other big disaster to come.
@freemo @SameGirlie @volkris After the war, the "Frankfurt school" was allowed to set up shop here, leading to our current educational madhouse. And on the other political side, we thought we could win a civil war in Vietnam and elsewhere.
Inside every (blank) there is usually NOT an American trying to get out! Germany and Japan were special cases, not the norm.
Meh, it's one of those terms that I'd just go ahead and own.
"Why yes, I am engaging in both-sidism because I can about sorting out what's true, and I can think critically and hold two ideas in my head at one time. You don't, or you can't?"
@mike805 @freemo @SameGirlie @volkris
If you lose an argument, you should lose in style.
I want a t-shirt that says "Everyone I dont like is Hitler"
Wooow, I see her ragequit reply, where she effectively said "nu uh!" and insisted that we all knew she was right.
I would assume she's one that has outstanding student loans so she has a vested interest in loan forgiveness.
And so I'd guess that the education she wants us all to pay for didn't exactly do her thinking skills a world of good.
I wonder if she ever ragequit a class... and how that worked out for her.
Possibly.. honestly looking at her garbage of a feed she looks like someone who is pretty radicalized/polarized in general.. She probably rage quits on anyone who disagrees with her even a tiny bit.
No, forgiving a loan is not spending. That's getting the math backwards.
If I don't bring in money I haven't spent. Wrong side of the balance sheet. My lack of income isn't an expense; it's a lack of income.
Yes, sometimes people engage in legal or accounting fictions surrounding this, but I think we need to push back and remember when we're speaking in convenient analogies.
It's like saying if I don't mug my neighbor I've lost the $100 that's in his pocket. No, that's just funky accounting.
If I give you 100$ as a loan, and then the loan disapears, all I did was spend 100$ on you.
The fact that you have to dish out the money first to make a loan is exactly why it is spending.
They are two different transactions.
You spend money to me purchasing the idea that I'll pay back the loan with interest.
I spend money to you when I write you a check in exchange for retiring my debt.
The fact that I might not write those checks (I might die or drag us through court or have a president unilaterally declare that I don't have to) shows that those are independent transactions.
In this case, the US already spent the money on these loans. For better or worse. That's over and done with.
Now the issue is whether debtors pay back into the US Treasury as per the legal obligation, so it's no longer about the US spending but rather the US receiving.
@freemo Cases are up before The Supreme Court of the U.S. This will be a final judgement on the matter. We've been told June for the judgement. hope that helps a bit