@TruthSandwich @alecui

> You are defining the left-right continuum independently of actual people and actual countries in the actual world. I am not.

Wrong, and I explicitly stated as much. What i have done is looked at how every government I could find that has identified as left or right had in common and found a simple definition of the spectrum that is appropriate for every one of those examples.. It is very clear the distinction is a universal one...

As I said you only have to provide a single counter example to prove me wrong, something you have yet to do.

> Like socialists and political scientists, I am defining it as the center of political gravity, which is something that shifts and is defined issue by issue.

Nah, you dont get to speak for political scientists, and this is certainly not how they define it.

> For example, there was a time in America when same-sex marriage was so far left as to be fringe. Now it’s mainstream, although still opposed by the far right.

Why do you keep repeating the same failed logic like you arent even listening to what I am saying.

How many times have I said that what is moderate vs what is fringe is absolutely relative (and relies on the current political gravity as you put it)... what the center point is is **not** relative, that is fixed... how wide of a range around that is considered moderate is completely relative however.

> Gravity shifted.

The position of the center of gravity never changed... the size of the gravitational field however did.

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