@barefootstache (updated spelling and grammar...)

It seems like a good enough end what you wrote: "AI is just a new flavour of cherry picked statistical models."
How simple and short I thought...

And then I realised maybe THIS is the "one more point" to wrap to up how that seems dangerous to say so simply when it's clearly not:

From your side I don't hear any of the dangers about it - maybe literally nothing (will have a look again) and then saying it's simply this (maybe you didn't mean that but if you do AI is certainly not simple or just computer related - probably more related to 'everything' more than not from energy or people's lives.

Perhaps I expect something more like I am saying, but not hearing much of anything is basically my confirmation you're more ok with it than not... or indifferent - which if true is almost more dangerous.

If you are not political at all with bad ways on people, planet etc as the ultimate politics in itself then something is deeply missing with you / others.

Sooo without over-triggering myself or focussing on you - it seems very typical of people in this sector not to care almost like a sort "I'll just use this tool it doesn't really matter",,, totally not caring - THIS seems a common thing in the Computer / STEM sector that I seek help with. 🆘

Though I might have you wrong and grouping way too many others and losing fans into the negative numbers - seriously if I bang on too much it's because I'm missing why people almost don't have this gene in them,.. they have the knowledge of who and how it works but don't see leanings and danger at all almost - all there are bewildered by the new light or shiny toy and treat at tool totally like it's without an previous effect.

Anyone indifferent (like the same people with it's just "money" and you can use it for 'good or bad' without seeing the enshitification of 'debt' before it) when it's clearly involved on all levels (politically / financially / etc) is a war on people more than 'saving them' so realising those people would never release anything that doesn't further their own causes first... well I guess that's the main point as well as all the other energy, data centers, hardware, water cooling etc considerations...

I can only say for now you or they are missing a gene or something (not even knocking you or them or whoever). You all are just missing it inside and it's "just a tool", "just money" etc to you and "why not use it" is a question even if answered wouldn't made a difference.

Home and away eventually AI is bad etc etc... but yeah gets some more programming done 😈

I have more of a blanket and measured- it all stinks at whatever level approach - and you... probably a playing it safer not saying as much as I.

P.S I know you have been travelling so can leave this until later... I think we squeezed quite a bit already... so no worries and whenever...

@barefootstache (Forgot to say + updated)

There are many things that are not needing #AI, so reversing my phrase doesn't work for that...

AI Training is not needed in many things that are actually worth keeping simple / human / even away from over-thinking / being too efficient etc as we live and enjoy things beyond AI and it's owner's directives and rational.

The main way I meant it (and wasn't clear in my quick phrase either I admit) was that involving and giving people activity is the main thing, so rather than giving it to AI as a kind of job-cutting / replacement of human (which it will be and IF Governments don't let people live more freely and let the AI and computers do more of the work) and will be hard for people to pay Rent to LandLoard's (another subject) and pay the Inflation going up and up...

So not AI as some financial-based cost-cutting tool aimed at outcomes for machines to replace people are not good (however good they are or efficient, humans are the priority) but people doing stuff to keep busy or interested in something less digital (non-electric-based, in fields, nature or whatever) without getting interfered with by what is and will be probably Americanised Technology is worth it's own weight in gold.

Just because a bot can do better or cheaper is not the point (as well as the point of money devaluing over time and we all having less and less ways to pay landlords... or only specific gruelling ways since those are more likely going to be jobs AI haven't got to yet or cut out.)

I think definitely there are less jobs or less diversity (could say more specialism which cascades out but quickly back again once established and perfected) looking at whole of what computing has done and AI will do while we can't even pay for it!!)
< I would ideally like a referencing to cite this other than my own guesstimates looking at patterns of Tech growing out but quickly cutting back to bare minimums >

And frankly with AI, half or all of it it can go (!) based on my somewhat supposition that what we had before was plenty or just enough since we were NOT interested in making it easier for humans anyway <----- MASSIVE POINT

Things haven't really change much for the better (or again could stay at the OK-but-they-will not let-us -go-free stage) and fucking things faster what we don't always want fucking up.

And after a whole heap of sub-subsidised energy bills to fund it (without many of us knowing) + BIG expectations from people who fall for things like #NFT as thing in fashion not too long ago, it's basically just cheating people "AI" reselling and outsourcing it to sweatshops like all the other industries doing manual the work first so "oh wow it's so easier and helps me in my great bourgeois Western Country".

I have a feeling people are sold, like moths to light, in STEM, similar to seeing a new motorbike, new car or new tractor - "it's like magic daddy!", but then over time you realise how dirty it is for all the magic and parts to come alive on each start (petrol and parts) and all the shit to be mined and come together to decorate around the smelly metal parts all the time..
All tyres etc... Faaaaak).

Perhaps cars are nicer staying inside the a cheap plastic picture frame most of us had as a child

If I'm not wrong:
#Lamborghini Countach,
#Porsche 911/935
#Ferrari F40

and thankfully I have no dreams of owning and even driving for more than 30mins as it's liable to all CRASH. 🚗

@freeschool

There is this tendency of taking technological luxuries as granted and then hypocritically saying that life would be so much better if xyz didn't exist. Only the minority of people are taking the leap to simplify their lives to a more slow pace way of living.

Considering that we are using one of these technological advances and then being frustrated that asynchronous communication is not happening fast enough is just ironic (hint hint ;P).

If a technology will be good or bad; only time will tell. Some technologies like NFT might have been just too early for release, similar to how the Google Glass was way ahead of its time.

Life without AI is still currently possible and most professions won't even need it to be performant. There is only a small fraction of professions that can be more performant using AI and most of them coincide in the STEM field.

Asking anyone in the STEM field who has started using AI to stop, is like going back a decade or two and asking them to stop use a search engine. Sure, one could have (back then) gone to the library, skim read through multiple books to find that one piece of information, but realistically speaking, why!?

Any technological shift can be daunting in the beginning, though as long as it creates more independence and variety in the long run, I welcome it over shunning it out.

It is true that each new technology carries its dark side with it and it should not be avoided and/or ignored.

The current two dark sides of AI that I see: 1. the amount of hardware and/or energy it costs to create AI models, and 2. assimilating AI with an all-knowing being or the only point of truth.

As long as one is informed with the faults of a technology, I don't see any reason why not to use it as long as it follows one's own moral compass.

@barefootstache Replies to paragraphs:

1st paragraph
"Only the Minority" <-- not sure what you mean, I'd assume those that don't know / don't care / like / ignore candy rotting teeth won't choose better and expect dentist to fix rotten teeth beyond repair (like nature will become or micro-plastics for soil in my garden that surprisingly might not grow much... and getting into our bodies already like the bird in all oceans swallowing objects or water itself as micro-plastics).

2nd paragraph -
People-to-people is what I was thinking as love for each other in real life with virtual stuff more as support or steps towards that ladder of respect and love, understanding...
I don't get that with you - and with all respect sir, I feel like I'm talking to a robot (never have I had this feeling or wanted to say it) but the lack of human expression can be extremely wanted unless sentiments are not shared or in the same spectrum (and this is where efficiency or neutralness of you text falls as input<>out messages. You don't seem like you're building for humans for example (I don't claim to know but totally don't get feeling from you despite you being healthy in other ways). Not even some feelings or comebacks. There was a hint hint ;P there but you were probably feeling 'friendly' momentarily.

5th paragraph - yeah appreciate the asking people is like asking them to go backwards... so wouldn't expect them to... I guess the search engine is a good example where people go their line of Tech Extreme / Specialism but can then jump suddenly to something else like searx.org and stop other habits... working for the good instead of bad end of Tech line.
+ Agree libraries only have limited uses (you asked why so some reasons: to get away from parents, to study more as I was playing games too easily at home, to use my bike) but in general wasn't a big book person but liked using the computer in library >;>

6th paragraph
"independence" is a dangerously misleading word and nearly doesn't exists / can't be said full stop - well at least is more defined bubble you look at it but generally not in the "only me in humanity" or "independent on a massive network draining / drinking planets blood via coal / nuclear power plants). And if you think AI makes data more independent I'm not sure what basis you could mean that.

I'll go far to say half controversially that ALL TECH IS ALREADY FUNDED BY THE DARK SIDE (BANKS) / ENDS UP IN THE DARK SIDE (GOOGLE / AMAZON) as the; LINUX SERVERS AS AD FARMS or MASTODON + FEDI AS LINK FARMS TO GOOGLE SCRAPING/TRACKING/MINING US etc... people bridging to us like an island they want to tap into).

7th paragraph
So almost everything basically is a problem! (lol, hardware energy and consumption, cost, taking over humanity / centralisation / becoming law)

8th paragraph
It seems you ok with being ok with things, like knowing they are bad but still using them... and calling that your Moral compass!
Deep.