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@jaysonmassey and how do we address this in a way that helps address the problem?
@freemo This is a start.
" HB 731 to require that guns be stored safely in the home to prevent school shootings, youth suicide, and unintentional shootings;
- HB 338 to require the reporting of lost and stolen firearms to cut the number of illegal guns fueling violence in our communities;
- HB 1018 to create Extreme Risk Protection Orders to prevent firearm suicides, mass shootings, and domestic violence;
- HB 714 to enact universal background checks so that weapons of war don't end up in the wrong hands."
@jaysonmassey hb 731 doesnt do what you suggest. It just is a bill that would cause all long rifles to include a trigger lock with sale. So while im not opposed to a proper solution requiring safe storage this bill sadly isnt it.
Hb338 is ok, in theory, but with only a 500$ fine im not sure it really addresses the issue much. But its a start i woukdnt object to it as is.
Hb1080 absolutely not and is IMO a gross violation. Bodily autonomy is a sacred right and that includes suicide. If someone wants to kill themselves they should have that right and the means to potential suicide should not be legally restricted. We shoukd try to provide mental health access and help prevent suicide but in the end everyone has the right to do with their body what they wish.
Hb714 is kinda moot but i have no objections. It only requires long rifle background checks now on private sales. I can support this but its not going to have a huge impact and certainly not going to solve the problems.
These are exactly thr no-real-good but feels good nonsense i come to expect honestly. We could be enacting actual hugely impactful policies like free access to mental health and make some real change. Instead thry want you to have to buy a 10$ trigger lock you can bypass in about 5 minutes and probably wont even get used.
@freemo It's "common sense gun control" and not what I would do. I would do what Japan did. That will take a giant effort, and takes small steps at first.
"In 2018, Japan, a country of 125 million people, only reported nine deaths from firearms – compared with 39,740 that year in the United States, according to data compiled by the Sydney School of Public Health at the University of Sydney."
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/asia/japan-gun-laws-abe-shooting-intl-hnk/index.html
@freemo It's difficult to enact this Japanese solution b/c school kids are being slaughtered and no action is being taken. It's a matter of political will AND donor focus. If the big donors and PACs and dark PACs all decided to enact the Japanese solution, that would make a huge difference.
@freemo Simply put, it's WAY easier to kill someone with a gun than a knife, that's why there are so many acts of gun violence in America.
If that means mentally ill people do other things, that's something that might happen. That doesn't mean you do nothing.
@jaysonmassey yes its easier to kill someone witb a gun than a knife, but there are also far more easily accessible ways to kill people more effective than a knife.
5 minutes at a super market and you can get the ingredients for a poison or bomb, both of which kill en mass easier than a gun. So the whole argument falls apart lretty fast.
It also ignores the more important aspect. As a power equalizer it means a woman with a gun is far more likely to defend herself from rape or murder than a woman with a knife. So clearly it can just as easily act to **save** live as it can to take them. This is why your argument in that aspect is equivelant to the antivaxxer argument. It ignores the big picture.
@freemo I thought we were talking about guns. So, I'm going to continue to talk about guns.
People don't need guns and shouldn't have easy access to them. Japan does not have a citizenry with access to guns, therefore, they do not have much gun violence. It's a simple argument.
@jaysonmassey We are talking about guns, and specifically how gun policies like japans do more harm than good in thr big picture.
@freemo That's what YOU'RE talking about.
@jaysonmassey yes i am talking about guns. You are welcome not to talk about guns, or the topic if thats what you want. Just dont play it off like im not over here talking about guns too, you didnt like talking about guns that addresses the whole picture, and you want to exit the convo, thats fine, but do t play it like its because im not talki g about guns, whicb simply isnt true.
@freemo I was at the PA House Judicial Committee hearings. I was at the March For Our Lives in March. I talk to elected officials about this stuff. State officials. Philadelphia officials. I am actually an advocate.
You don't have to agree with me, but twisting things around isn't cool. I've already summarized what my argument, I'm not doing it again, just go back and read it.
Actually read it. Please don't just start typing. Read what I wrote. It's not much.
I'm not going back line-to-line refuting your argument because I HAVE LITERALLY JUST LISTENED TO PEOPLE TALK FOR TWO HOURS USING THESE ARGUMENTS.
@jaysonmassey what arr you talking about, no one asked you to explain anything. You are welcome to debate if you want, you also dont have to... but everything you wrote was **actually** read. If you feel something was twisted feel free to speak up but i dont see anything you said getting twisted.
@freemo That's the problem. I already straightened it out. YOU still don't have it straight, and I have said what to do about it. That's it. I'm not going to repeat myself. There's no need. I said what I said and summarized it. Enjoy your day.
@jaysonmassey then dont thats fine. No need for you to get antagonistic. Just walk away if you dont want to talk.
@jaysonmassey what japanese solution? Ba ing guns woukd sig ificantly reduce gun deaths... but also significantly increase stabbings, viokent acts, rape, and other non gun deaths. So describing that as a solution isnt accurate.