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Today Biden realized my worst fear.. worst president in fucking history.. He just announced today a "vaccine passport" where it can be freely used to discriminate against you if you don't have one showing you got a COVID vaccination. This means jobs can fire you, businesses can require it to enter, and it can prevent you from flying.
In effect it now encourages and enables business and entities to discriminate based on an aspect of your medical records and effectively provides a means to circumvent existing laws that would otherwise protect your medical records.
To add insult to injury we arent even talking about a normal vaccine, we are talking about the first vaccine in US history that was allowed to completely bypass the last stage of safety tests, which give legal immunity for the companies so they can not be sued if people get sick from the vaccines. So in effect they have set up a situation where you are forced to take a drug that didnt pass full safety tests, against your will, and be excluded from the whole of society if you dont.
@freemo I don't think that's right about this being the first vaccine in US history to bypass the last stage, considering that vaccination predates the existence of the FDA by over 100 years.
@pganssle You cant bypass a safety stage if the safety stage doesnt exist... that wouldnt be bypassing.
@freemo It's disingenuous to suggest that this is unprecedentedly unsafe considering it's certainly safer than the amount and quality of testing done / required for a large fraction of the time we've been vaccinating people, and probably more than even the fairly recent past, given the safety ratchet that the FDA imposes (they almost always make the requirements more stringent, not the other way around).
If you are going to engage in this sort of semantic argument, I'm going to have a hard time taking you seriously in the future.
@pganssle Huh? Normally vaccines go through a final stage of tests lasting a 1 - 3 years. This is the only way to have any idea of long term risk factors, there is no way to speed this up, and no amount of rigor circumvents it.
This long-term phase is where all sorts of complications are caught that short term tests dont, most notably ADE. So effectively we are completely blind to whether or not in a year or two time ADE or other risk factors wont develop that we decided to just skip the test phase on.
@freemo Sorry I engaged, if you are going to fight me on challenging your hyperbole with petty semantic arguments, I'm not especially interested in having the discussion.
I was attempting to help you tone down your rhetoric by keeping it factual, but I don't have time to try to litigate whether or not your misleading statements are technically true in some sense.
@pganssle Not even sure what your on about.. everything I mentioned can be backed up by peer reviewed papers and in fact a few weeks ago I already shared one such peer review paper elaborating on the fear of ADE with the COVID vaccine and that paritcular paper repeating the converns I mentioned.
There is a reason so many people quit or protested from health organizations around the world but particularly in the USA when the safety measures were circumvented with countless doctors indicating mostly what I said, that the safety measures are there for a reason (and that vaccines are often canceled when they cant pass the long term safety)...
No clue how what part your even objecting to to be honest, this is something plenty of scientists other than myself have repeated.