@skells yea but nukes take much longer to build than wind

@11112011 15 years yeah, but unless you can find some serious batteries....

@skells https://www.power-technology.com/projects/windfloat-atlantic-project/

@11112011 25MW lel

@skells that was just the pilot

@11112011 the problem remains - how do you match the grid load when these things drop off?

@skells u get it from other places
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@11112011 that synchronisation fragilises the system in proportion to use of renewables

@skells the grid needs to match generation with consumption thats why crying that adding renewables doesnt make sense, u on the field of ideology

@11112011 it's not ideology it's electrical engineering

renewables (other than hydro) are volatile and you need alternatives when generation falls below consumption

@skells its pure ideology all added generation is gud

It's really not. Add enough renewables and you can have spot prices drop to zero, or even go negative. You're basically forcing the conventional providers to act as grid stabilizers for the renewables, meanwhile they don't get to sell electricity when the grid is producing.

@dave @11112011 @skells

Can confirm, we get negative spot prices sometimes. In Australia they have negative spot prices during the daily solar panel peak.

In New Zealand we use geothermal, rather than nuclear for the base load electricity.

Our geothermal plants produce about 20% of our electricity.

You could build geothermal plants in most countries that have hot springs or volcanoes.

@DazzaNZ @dave @11112011 that's wild

@skells @DazzaNZ @dave no no no renewables bad

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ geothermal is easily the most based of all power generation

@skells @11112011 @dave

Yeah, they are going to keep building it, out to 35% of generation. The hydro that's already been built will last for ages.

About 3/4 of the geothermal has been built in the last 25 years. They built the new ones when they understood what they were doing properly.

The first trial plant was built in the 1950s.

@DazzaNZ @11112011 @dave how deep do these things have to go, or is New Zealand just shallow for geothermal vents?

@skells @DazzaNZ @dave when u live of exporting gas and oil like russia and u dont realy have that much use internely to it, all renweabes inur customers contries are bad

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ ok bro thanks for playing

@skells @dave @DazzaNZ

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ tfw blitz is actually ursula

@skells @dave @DazzaNZ u dont need to be ursula to know for example the greens anti nuclear get theyre money from putin for example, but u can also be ursula

@skells @DazzaNZ @dave of course i dont want to make u feel bad about ur putin gud stand

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ hard to make me feel bad for a stance I don't hold

@skells @dave @DazzaNZ my mistake then thought u were 1 of the europe fucked dudes spning fairy tales

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ your persona has mush for brains

@skells @dave @DazzaNZ yea i know thats why im mostly wrong

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ it's not about wrong or right

@skells @dave @DazzaNZ its about what then?

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ you're the genius bra

@skells @dave @DazzaNZ yea, its about wishfull thinking vs reality

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ "reality" is just what keeps euros flowing the direction they like

@skells @dave @DazzaNZ no one told u to brexit

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ I like decentralisation, bleat all you like I don't trust the people upstairs

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ your stance appears to be the similar faith that well heeled bankers have in their investments

@skells @dave @DazzaNZ well central banks are the real gov the rest is circus to entertain ppl like u

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5vw4ajnWGA