I’m sure some businesses in Russia will still accept Rubles even though the official currency will be Euros

@11112011 bro you left these and now my cat is cooking dinner thanks

@11112011 15 years yeah, but unless you can find some serious batteries....

@11112011 the problem remains - how do you match the grid load when these things drop off?

@11112011 that synchronisation fragilises the system in proportion to use of renewables

@skells the grid needs to match generation with consumption thats why crying that adding renewables doesnt make sense, u on the field of ideology

@11112011 it's not ideology it's electrical engineering

renewables (other than hydro) are volatile and you need alternatives when generation falls below consumption

It's really not. Add enough renewables and you can have spot prices drop to zero, or even go negative. You're basically forcing the conventional providers to act as grid stabilizers for the renewables, meanwhile they don't get to sell electricity when the grid is producing.

@dave @11112011 @skells

Can confirm, we get negative spot prices sometimes. In Australia they have negative spot prices during the daily solar panel peak.

In New Zealand we use geothermal, rather than nuclear for the base load electricity.

Our geothermal plants produce about 20% of our electricity.

You could build geothermal plants in most countries that have hot springs or volcanoes.

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ geothermal is easily the most based of all power generation

@skells @11112011 @dave

Yeah, they are going to keep building it, out to 35% of generation. The hydro that's already been built will last for ages.

About 3/4 of the geothermal has been built in the last 25 years. They built the new ones when they understood what they were doing properly.

The first trial plant was built in the 1950s.

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@DazzaNZ @11112011 @dave how deep do these things have to go, or is New Zealand just shallow for geothermal vents?

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@skells @11112011 @dave

I think they are more than a kilometre deep.

Also it is not just used for electricity. Factories and greenhouses use it.

In Taupo, you can see giant insulated stainless steel pipes across the farm land taking the steam to factories.

mbie.govt.nz/building-and-ener

@skells @DazzaNZ @dave when u live of exporting gas and oil like russia and u dont realy have that much use internely to it, all renweabes inur customers contries are bad
@skells @dave @DazzaNZ u dont need to be ursula to know for example the greens anti nuclear get theyre money from putin for example, but u can also be ursula
@skells @DazzaNZ @dave of course i dont want to make u feel bad about ur putin gud stand

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ hard to make me feel bad for a stance I don't hold

@skells @dave @DazzaNZ my mistake then thought u were 1 of the europe fucked dudes spning fairy tales

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ "reality" is just what keeps euros flowing the direction they like

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ I like decentralisation, bleat all you like I don't trust the people upstairs

@11112011 @dave @DazzaNZ your stance appears to be the similar faith that well heeled bankers have in their investments

@skells @dave @DazzaNZ well central banks are the real gov the rest is circus to entertain ppl like u
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@skells @DazzaNZ @11112011 @dave "The industrial activity that expands relentlessly with developments in the natural sciences is basically a campaign to promote energy consumption. Its target has not been so much to boost energy production as to senselessly waste energy. As long as man continues to take the stance that he is 'developing' nature, the materials and resources of the earth will go on drying up." -Masanobu Fukuoka, The Natural Way of Farming, Natural Farming for a New Age

@skells @DazzaNZ @11112011 @dave Fukuoka, cont'd: "Burdened by growing self-contradictions, industrial activity will grind to a halt or undergo unyielding transformations that shall usher in drastic changes in political, economic, and social institutions.
Self-contradiction is most evident in the decline in energy efficiency. In his fascination with ever greater sources of energy, man has moved from the heat of the fireplace to electrical generation..."

@skells @DazzaNZ @11112011 @dave "But he closes his eyes to the fact that the efficiency of these sources (ratio of total energy input to total energy output) has worsened exponentially in the same order. Because he refuses to acknowledge this, internal contradiction continues to accumulate and will soon reach explosive levels."

Nicole Foss on renewables bit.ly/2rzS5Pq

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