I doubt a single one of the COVID conspiracy theory nutters out there could even answer this quiz, and this is just the basic level.

@freemo I don't care about the vaccine safety any more. I'm upset about being compelled to take it.

@swiley I agree 100% with you, thats an issue. But then again thats just as much the conspirasy theorists fault as it is the governments. If so many people werent out there spreading lies convincing people to put their lives at risk there wouldnt have been the need.

@freemo There's arguably no need regardless.

@swiley While I dont agree that it should be forced on anyone, there is a need, and the conspiracy theorists created it.

There are countless people who beleived their lies and arent smart enough to know better who are going to die. It has kept the vaccinations from reaching herd immunity and as such the potential for ever more variants to arise.

So the need is preventing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people that anti-vaxers have caused.. yes there is a "need", I just dont feel that justified forced vaccination no matter how big that need may be

@freemo Israel has nearly 100% vaccination and has no herd immunity.
The virus is not as deadly as people say it is and there are alternative treatments that work better as Japan, Mexico, and India have found.
Pushing the vaccine instead of Ivermectin and antibodies is killing people.

@swiley Wrong, Israel has <80% vaccinated as of the latest figures and herd immunity kicks in above 80% with this virus.. So no they dont have herd immunity yet.

Also remember what I said, herd immunity only works when the entire population reaches it quickly (before variants have a chance to form which accelerates as you vaccinate before reaching herd immunity). We achieved herd immunity with smallpox, for example, because the campaign was global and that was a bit of an easier virus in terms of variants.

@freemo I thought Fauci said 50%.

@swiley I have no idea what Fauci said, nor do I care what he or any one specific doctor says. I care about the scientific consensus which has herd immunity well above 80%

@freemo Either way, the vaccine is not as effective as Ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies. It's orders of magnitude more deadly than every vaccine we've had, and for younger boys it's more deadly than covid itself.
It's not a good treatment.

@swiley Its many times more effective than Ivermectin (which may be part of a treatment as well, assuming the vaccine was already tried)... you sound like an uninformed dunce honestly, almost no one has died from the vaccine, you are spewing anti-science, anti-fact bullshit. You do you, but you've lost the respect of myself and so many others (who continually keep reporting you) with this anti-intellectual nonsense that even a few minutes of research could easily disprove if you didnt have your head up your ass.

If I sound mad, I am, because aside from just costing hundreds of thousands of people their lives by spreading this bullshit misinformation, you are also now costing people their freedoms as a consequence because people are so desperate to try to find a way to save those lives.

@freemo
>almost no one has died from the vaccine
This is clearly wrong. There are enough deaths from the heart problems alone that they're investigating it.

@swiley he ignores the part where it's the deadliest vaccine ever fielded according to VAERS and UK Yellow Card.

@freemo

@icedquinn

I know your smarter than that, not only did I not ignore it, I already addressed it.

VAREs does **not** report COVID related deaths. It is required by law **all** deaths that occur within 14 days of a vaccination, even if it is known not to be related to COVID, must be reported on VARES. This is also a policy change that occured around the time of COVID.

@swiley

@icedquinn @swiley


>I know your smarter than that

😬 The most cringe condescension. What happened to freemo, he used to be able to disagree with people cordially, now everyone is an 'idiot who doesn't deserve to open their mouth' 😕 I saw him treating P like this a while back and, well, P was being P and I was like 'why are mommy and daddy fighting'.... but more and more this seems like just who freemo is now.

Swiley, if your getting reported on qoto for voicing your opinion, I know a few servers that are open registration.

@anonymoose

This has nothing to do with administration/moderation. He isnt at risk of being booted. The fact he has been reported and I didnt act on the reports says enough.

But yes, if someone is going to stand up and act like they are well researched ont he topic and say something as uninformed as suggesting the VARES report indicates vaccine deaths, then yea, thats a pretty dumb thing to say and reflects that that person has no understanding of even the basics on the topic.

The fact that I respect people as generally intelligent and then they go off and say things that about 30 seconds of research could have easily disproven, and they tend to repeat it multiple times is troubling.

I believe people have the right to think and say what they want. But when they say things that has all the idiocy of a flat-earther then I will call them out on it, it is reserved for extreme cases. Now how they respond means everything. If they spend that 30 seconds to research and realize they were wrong on obvious facts then no respect lost. If they double down and keep repeating easily disproven things, then respect loss. I wont hide, and have never hid, my opinion of when people cross that line. In the end people get a lot of slack its just people are getting dumber by the day with all the misinformation floating around.

@icedquinn @swiley