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Headteacher refuses to feed children who are ‘more than a penny in debt to school’
Pupils whose meal accounts are more than a penny in debt at a school will be left without food at lunchtime.

The severe warning was issued in a letter to parents sent by Neil Foden – the strategic head of Ysgol Dyffryn Nantlle in Penygroes, Gwynedd – as part of an approach recommended by the local council.

metro.co.uk/2021/11/11/wales-h

@zleap To be fair schools dont get funding to be soup kitchens. I'm all for feeding kids who are in poverty, I think thats important. But we cant blame school administrators for that, blame the country/state for not funding schools to provide free food to the kids.

@freemo I agree, but some schools were a little more flexible than this.

@zleap yes but schools that are flexible are getting the money from somewhere. A lot of times out of the pockets of teachers directly who want to help either directly or indirectly. The money has to come from somewhere.

@freemo @zleap what sucks the most is that it's grown up issues (be it parents who won't pay, just _can't_ pay or the government who can't be bothered to pay a few lunches) while the children are the ones going without food.

@bonifartius @freemo

Yeah, this is Wales, which If I understand it has a LABOUR government in charge, the loudest critics of Boris Johnson in the UK.

So where does Labour actually stand on free school meals. ?

@zleap

I'd take it one step further and say this may not be an issue to handle at the school level at all. The poor should have access to some degree of food to the point that I have to wonder why these parents arent able to feed their kids in the first place and send them to school with healthy food.

@bonifartius

@freemo @bonifartius

Some have a choice o heat home, feed kids, or feed kids and parents go Hungary (esp now fuel bills are going up)

The government has removed the £20 a week universal credit boost, which is about £80 a month, it was increased during the covid pandemic (which still isn't over)

The government were warned about the impact, I understand that it was temporary BUT it is a huge hit for people who were struggling before.

I agree this is a grown up issue and kids should not be made to suffer we need a highly educated work force in the future this won't happen if kids go to school hungry. The education impacts on this are also well know.

@zleap

> Some have a choice o heat home, feed kids, or feed kids and parents go Hungary (esp now fuel bills are going up)

I agree, and this is where the failure is. Either the government isnt giving these people the resources they need to get out of poverty (and survive it until they do), or, these people arent putting in the effort and utilizing these resources. Most likely the former more so than the latter.

Therein is the problem. If they cant provide for their kids this isnt the place for a school to step in, its function is to teach. It represents a failure on the part of the government and really has no relationship to school meals at all.

@bonifartius

@zleap the school i went to as a child would take your order, see your account was negative, give you a peanut butter sandwich and still charge you full price for the original order.

i have no idea what the theory was behind this because it was also the only way to get a peanut butter sandwich so it basically became a poverty penalty food.

@icedquinn fast forward to 2021 if someone has a peanut allergy what would happen.

@freemo @zleap
quinn: school is useless they should just teach survival skills

everyone else: quinn no schools are for CuLtUrInG

[later]

:blobcatonfire: what do we do about starving kids!!!
:blobcatquinn: stop teaching them about whites bad and teach them how to skin a fish and grow a potato?
:blobcatonfire: no, bad

@icedquinn

School is the only thing keeping adults from being dumber than they already are... and they are pretty damn dumb most of the time.

That said I'd be all about including survival skills in school along side traditional subjects. I also think we need a major reform on how we teach kids in the first place.

@zleap

@freemo @icedquinn

Yeah there are schemes in the UKto teach kids about money, saving etc.

But yes survival skills would be good, how to survive without a mobile phone, how to read a map (paper) how to cope with zero electricity.

Oh and most important teach common sense.

@freemo @zleap i think i was literally told the supply chain provideth so nobody needs to learn things like how to remain alive because the obviously they will just take their government diseducation and become an administrative assistant and always buy their food from the bread lord forever.

> 20 years later
> supply chain not provideth
> economy about to autodestruct
> QUINN WAS RIGHT :blobcathyper2:

@icedquinn

To be fair even if the supply chain completely collapsed right now and super markets were empty most people with survival skills would still just die. There would never be enough land to support hunter and gatherers or even personal gardens and still expect everyone to get fed.

That said I think survival skills are good more from a sense that it enables people to go on adventures and those are very important for adults to do IMO

@zleap

@icedquinn @freemo

We need people with skills for the future, computing, engineering , sciences etc etc so we can really solve the problems of the future.

But we also need people with practical skills to build stuff, we need people to care for others at all levels

@zleap @freemo yea so actually fun story i learned nothing at public school that accomplished any of those things you are talking about.

i learned algebra from myself and programming from myself and all school ever did was destroy the will to live and be a minimum security prison that literally physically assaulted me.

burn it down kill them burn the corpses salt the earth and replace pls.

@icedquinn

It is great you learned those things for yourself, and it does perhaps speak to the ineffectual nature of how we teach (thus why I call for reform on how we teach).

That said, not everyone is you and many people learned a lot of base knowledge from school they wouldnt have learned otherwise for any number of reasons.

@zleap

@freemo @zleap
> not everyone is quinn
this is why society is fucked ngl

@icedquinn

That is true, A society exclusively filled with quinns would not have these problems :)

@zleap

I was horrible in math class yet it wasn't until watching Miller Puckette's lectures on PureDATA that I was simply preferring to have the text-book follow me instead of following the book.
Alright. After reading the Onion the past few months I must admit.

I am forming a micro-nation /break-away society .
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